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Riachu on 26 March 2009
outlawauron said:
forevercloud3000 said:
outlawauron said:
Well nothing has changed. The only Square Enix RPG that the 360 has gotten is The Last Remnant made by the Saga team which hasn't made a good game in over a decade.

If the main Final Fantasy (and Versus) are bad, then you have a case.

Wrong, SE does produce these games do they not (IU, SO,etc)? They have say in where these games go. The decision to keep these games exclusive to 360 is SE's decision just as much as it is TriAce's decision. And sense when has TriAce made a game by themselves? When have they ever put out a game not dealing with Square or Enix in some way. Never, thats when. You might as well say TriAce is a subsidary of SE because all of their games go through them since their inception.

I am a bit weary of this arguing point.

But the quality of Square Enix hasn't gone down. They are the same company.

The Saga and Mana teams put out bad games.

Tri-Ace puts out above average RPGs and the main team puts out the games with universal appeal.

I'm talking moreso from the developer standpoint rather than caring which platform they go to.

When you mean main team?  Do you mean the main team at Tri-Ace or the team that makes the FF games?

 



 

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*~Onna76~* on 26 March 2009

Well the Dragon Quest games on the DS are really amazing but other then that SE is really a lame company that only lives on money instead of honor with that making one stupid mistake after the other and losing honor from many fans including me. I have no idea who's creating DQX for on the WII, but god forbid them to screw it up if they're the developers, instead of good old Level 5.

That said, I was hoping Level 5 would kick their butts once and for good with WKC but I guess their next best thing on the PS3 should do the trick. DC3 please?



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NanakiXI on 26 March 2009

I miss you so badly SquareSoft. You were the game company that made me happy with my NES, SNES, PS1, & PS2. Ever since the Square and Enix Merger I have been less than satisfied with their announcements and haven't been excited for the last 4 years or so. I miss you square for making all my games FFI-X, Live-A-Live, King's Knight, Romancing Sa-Ga, Secret of Mana, Breath of Fire (It was published by Square so thanks for bringing it over), Secret of Evermore, Chrono Trigger/Cross, Xenogears/saga, Super Mario RPG, Front Mission, Bahamut Lagoon, Einhander, Threads od Fate, FFTactics. and too many more to name. Enix games were great also with the Star Ocean & Dragon Quest Series and all. Againt to many great games to name.

Why didn't you both stay seperated and enjoy being two RPG Software giants?

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hatmoza 2.0 on 26 March 2009

I think its safe to say We fell in love with Square Soft not Square Enix .
EDIT * nanaki beat me to it



outlawauron on 26 March 2009
Riachu said:
outlawauron said:
forevercloud3000 said:
outlawauron said:
Well nothing has changed. The only Square Enix RPG that the 360 has gotten is The Last Remnant made by the Saga team which hasn't made a good game in over a decade.

If the main Final Fantasy (and Versus) are bad, then you have a case.

Wrong, SE does produce these games do they not (IU, SO,etc)? They have say in where these games go. The decision to keep these games exclusive to 360 is SE's decision just as much as it is TriAce's decision. And sense when has TriAce made a game by themselves? When have they ever put out a game not dealing with Square or Enix in some way. Never, thats when. You might as well say TriAce is a subsidary of SE because all of their games go through them since their inception.

I am a bit weary of this arguing point.

But the quality of Square Enix hasn't gone down. They are the same company.

The Saga and Mana teams put out bad games.

Tri-Ace puts out above average RPGs and the main team puts out the games with universal appeal.

I'm talking moreso from the developer standpoint rather than caring which platform they go to.

When you mean main team?  Do you mean the main team at Tri-Ace or the team that makes the FF games?

AH!

The main Final Fantasy team at Square puts out the universal appeal, and Tri-ace (as a whole) puts out above average RPGs.



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Pristine20 on 26 March 2009
*~Onna76~* said:

Well the Dragon Quest games on the DS are really amazing but other then that SE is really a lame company that only lives on money instead of honor with that making one stupid mistake after the other and losing honor from many fans including me. I have no idea who's creating DQX for on the WII, but god forbid them to screw it up if they're the developers, instead of good old Level 5.

That said, I was hoping Level 5 would kick their butts once and for good with WKC but I guess their next best thing on the PS3 should do the trick. DC3 please?

 

Honor? lol. Everyone is emulating the west now. JP used to be the leaders of the gaming industry...they're now followers. I guess with the current economy you need that M$ $$$ as insurance y'know



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Darc Requiem on 26 March 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
Darc Requiem said:
forevercloud3000 said:
PullusPardus said:
.. i dont see why they are "TRAITORS!" since they are third party devs and i dont see why Sony fans find them as such.
Tho it IS true that they are going downhill lately most of their games are Cliche. tho we hope for "the best is yet to come", SO4 was a let down it had alot of weird voice acting and cliche story, The Last Remnant was weird, Infnite Undiscovery was ... dont know how to describe it, im looking forward for Final Fantasy , and i hope i wont be let down since its my favorite series.

 

Traitors to the Fans not the Console.

The ones that want their games the most they withhold them from. When they used to put out AAA games everytime they are now putting out shovelware like garbage. They lie to us fans as well with plenty of broken promises.

This is what makes them traitors to fans in favor of M$'s money(or whatever you want to believe is their cause for this stupidity).

Would you grow up already. Good lord man, if I see another Sony fanboy talk about betrayal in reference to Square-Enix I'm going to hurl. Another case of SSMS. Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Star Ocean, etc. got their start on Nintendo platforms. Square Enix has always went where they felt the most profit could be gained. If you didn't care about them "betraying" Nintendo, then don't bitch now. They are third party developer. I would figure their fans would own a DS, PSP, and 360 by now. Now fanboys on the other hand....

 

firstly, what the hell are you talking about? I can care less whether you like what Sony fans have to say or not, vomit your brains out for all I care. The fact remains that SE is doing terrible because of their actions this gen, one of the most disturbing is their decision not to support the PS3 for any of their HD games so far. Is this not true? Are many PS3 fans not also SE fans(at least from previous consoles)? Are square making the bank they predicted from putting their games on 360 only? NO! Are SE not putting out garbage games for consoles in favor of AAA ones?

If I am not wrong then what is your point?

And the "Betrayal" of the PS3 by SE as its sole destination for all its games was not the topic of this thread. People like you like to bring everything to that when someone complains about SE's failings as a JRPG giant. The fact is they are doing badly due to some of these decisions and that is what we are discussing

I don't know why you even bothered to respond. Your rant only served to proved that you are more of Sony fanboy than a Square Enix fan.  Fans follow games not platforms. Also Third Parties can't "betray" console manufacturers. The whole purpose of being third party is to be able to place your software on whatever platform that you'd like. Sony has not given SE any financial incentive ala the PS1 days and doesn't have a overwhelming lead like they did in the PS2 days. As I said in my prior post, just grow up already.

@CGI Quality

Nintendo's decision to stick with the cartridge format was the main reason for the falling out between Square and Nintendo. With NEC, Sega, and Sony going to an optical disk format, Square Enix didn't want to be handicapped by the limited space and high costs of the cartridge format. Sony's financial incentives and NEC's failure were the reason Square choose Sony over Sega. At the time FFVII began it's development for Playstation the Saturn was outselling the Playstation in Japan by 2 to 1. In fact it was FFVII's release on PS that effectively ended the 1st place battle between the Saturn and Playstation in Japan.



Pristine20 on 26 March 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Oh ....how I do miss Squaresoft. One of my favorite fighting games on PS1 was Tobal #1. It also, luckily for me, came bundled with a demo of Final Fantasy VII.

 

Squaresoft made ps1 my favorite console. All the games I've retained from that era except legend of dragoon and fear effect (which are games I  purchased within the last 2 years not exactly retained) are by squaresoft. My fav game of all time (PE2) was by them too. I actually understand how many ninty fans feel about nintendo's games because thats how I used to feel about anything from squaresoft but ever since the merger, it's never been the same. This is one of the reasons why it sucks to look at them now



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"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 on 26 March 2009
CGI-Quality said:
@ Darc

Exactly, so it wasn't just "all about profiting" afterall. The quality of the game was mainly at the forefront. That is what some of the folks in this thread are trying reiterate that Square is losing, their quality, regardless of platform.

 

Thanks for clarifying for the rest of us.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

hatmoza 2.0 on 26 March 2009

@CGI-QUALITY
Yes thanks for explaining that for Darc