I have a question for you PS3 guys. Lets say all of these Square/Enix games came out near the same time for the PS3 as it did on the 360, would you still be bitching about the quality?

If the PS3 had gotten these games at the same time, it makes no difference on the quality. They still would have been just as mediocre as they are right now. If not worse, because everyone knows that the PS3 is still very difficult to program for.

My point was there all along. I claim myself PS3 only fan. I was not in you catagory though. There are many PS3 only fans who have friends and such who have played these games but don't own the system or dislike it. The PS3 only thing has nothing to do with RPGs. If you can't see my point then sorry. I was meirly using myself as an example.

If this thread is about a decline in quality then why is it being housed inside the Sony forum, and not the Gaming forum? This seems more along the lines of a disgruntled PS3 fan feeling betrayed, which historically is exactly what forevercloud is. I can pull up numerous arguments he has made in the past to show he is less concerned with the general quality of SE RPGs and far more concerned with the "betrayal" Square Enix has pulled upon Sony. In a nutshell, if the three 360 RPGs were multiplatform, this topic wouldn't exist.

You folks are going to have to come to the understanding eventually that Square Enix is moving away from the HD consoles and moving firmly into handheld territory. You want to know why the console RPGs are lousy? That's because smaller teams, the size that used to make those awesome PS1 and SNES games are now making DS and PSP games. They are as innovative as the jump from 2D to 3D was for Square. The World Ends With You, Space Invaders Extreme, Dissidia, Crisis Core, Sigma Harmonics, Chocobo Tales, Dragon Quest Rocket Slime, etc. This is where the heart of Square Enix is now and some of you need to come to grips with that. Forget the PS3 and 360 being their primary concerns. Neither is a remarkable presense in Japan, and probably never will be. The best chance for a console to grab it's attention is the Wii, and even that is years off.

If you thought the PSOne era was the greatest, most innovative time for Square, then the DS is right up your alley, since it's basically a pocket fifth generation console with tons of Square games. Stop complaining that your favorite console isn't getting attention and go with the trends, because most DS owners are satisfied with the attention Square has given them, and the PSP owners will feel the same by the end of this year.

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There are plenty of possible reasons none of which nessistate quality

1) They were Sony fanboys first, Square fans second

2) They've grown out of such games

3) Said games have moved away from what they are used to. (not indicitive of quality)

4) Games stayed too close to what they were used to and they're sick of it.  (Same.)

5) found other companies or genres they like better. (Ex: Wii.)

Or the biggy.

6) It's not named Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest or Kingdom Hearts.

Lost Oddesy sold 790 K worldwide

Best selling non FF,DQ or KH seller on the PS2?

That beats the second best non FF, DQ or KH JRPG on the PS2.

Squares JRPGs about industry average as the PS2 ones.

We can agree to disagree sure.  But your point still remains defeated.

These games are still being bought at roughly the level RPGs are bought.

RPGS have a smaller success expectation then other games.

FFXIII will be the highest rated current gen jrpg.

Wow Kasz, I was playing Star Ocean IV. Sorry I left you here all alone man. Seems you been fighting the good fight. Forevercloud is a Sony fanboy. If these SE games were on PS3 he wouldn't be bitching, but they aren't so he is.

The FF brand Name is going to SE head, They think the name alone will sell (Which it will). So if it sells, why should they care?