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Forums - Gaming - Utah Governor vetoes video game and movie legislation [Update]

Red4ADevil on 25 March 2009

LOL that pic gave me a good laugh.



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shinyuhadouken on 25 March 2009

Every state should do this, but I doubt the corrupt bastards in my home state will care.



Not a 360 fanboy, just a PS3 fanboy hater that likes putting them in their place ^.^

Red4ADevil on 25 March 2009

This man has literaly gone mad he needs serious help pronto



IllegalPaladin on 25 March 2009
dsister44 said:
IllegalPaladin said:
dsister44 said:
i was kind of hoping that this bill would be passed. i mean twelve year olds should not be playing grand theft auto.

I hope you're being sarcastic because the bill would try and destroy the progress gained by the ESRB and retailers to inform customers of the ratings and content in games.

The bill is really just a waste of taxpayer's money that would most likely get struck down in court.

 

how would it destroy the progress of the esrb? all this would do is fine gamestop(anybody) that whenever they sell a m rated game to a minor. they already do it for tobacco and alchohol, why should they be any different.

And look how that has worked in the other attempts of the lawmakers (most, if not, all of them have failed. Usually by being shot down as unconstitutional). 

This bill will fine the stores for selling an m-rated game to a minor, but that's only if the store advertises that they don't sell m-rated games to minors. Thus, stores wont get into trouble with this bill if they don't bother with ratings anymore, which undermines the whole idea of having ratings to begin with. Now, retailers could potentially still enforce the ratings, but they wouldn't be able to talk about it, but what constitutes as advertising the ratings? 

The bill is pointless overall. In fact, the FTC found that minors were only able to purchase m-rated games 20% of the time in a secret shopper study which was down from 40% from 2006. Sure, Gamestop led the pack probably because they were a video game oriented store, but the point is that the video game industry and retailers are doing a heck of a job in trying to keep inappropriate content away from minors. In fact, the same study shows that the secret shoppers were able to buy r-rated movie tickets 35% of the time, r-rated DVD's 47% of the time, unrated DVD's 50% of the time, and PAL (parental advisory label) rated music 56% of the time.

Probably the worst aspect of these attempted laws is that the lawmakers are using misleading information or outright lies to try and influence others (Just look at Thompson's role in this bill and EVERYTHING that he's done in the past).

Yes, I would agree that more can be done to try and keep retailers and parents informed about the ratings of games, but the laws that have been written are a step backwards in this effort. Why can't the lawmakers help the industry by informing parents about the ratings? Instead we get "Well, the killer played GTA so if we exclude the fact that he was mentally unstable, took a lot of drugs, and was abused, it's obvious that video games gave him the resolve to murder people."



dsister44 on 25 March 2009
vlad321 said:
dsister44 said:
i was kind of hoping that this bill would be passed. i mean twelve year olds should not be playing grand theft auto.

Been playing DOOM since I was a weee lil lad. Also DOOM3 when I was like 12-14. I want a good argument out of you as to why 12 year olds shouldn't play GTA.

 

 

 

i also hate all the ten year old kids on xbox live playing halo, if i am called gay 1 more time by a kid that has never even had his first kiss then i will kill somebody.but to answer your question(kinda) its one of the benefits of being older.likke smoking and the death penalty



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vlad321 on 25 March 2009
dsister44 said:
vlad321 said:
dsister44 said:
i was kind of hoping that this bill would be passed. i mean twelve year olds should not be playing grand theft auto.

Been playing DOOM since I was a weee lil lad. Also DOOM3 when I was like 12-14. I want a good argument out of you as to why 12 year olds shouldn't play GTA.

 

 

 

i also hate all the ten year old kids on xbox live playing halo, if i am called gay 1 more time by a kid that has never even had his first kiss then i will kill somebody.but to answer your question(kinda) its one of the benefits of being older.likke smoking and the death penalty

To be honest I was in the top 5 of any given game back in the day too. Also your reasoning fails. Why don't you do what normal people do and fuck the game sound and just blast music through your 5.1?

 



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dsister44 on 25 March 2009
IllegalPaladin said:
dsister44 said:
IllegalPaladin said:
dsister44 said:
i was kind of hoping that this bill would be passed. i mean twelve year olds should not be playing grand theft auto.

I hope you're being sarcastic because the bill would try and destroy the progress gained by the ESRB and retailers to inform customers of the ratings and content in games.

The bill is really just a waste of taxpayer's money that would most likely get struck down in court.

 

how would it destroy the progress of the esrb? all this would do is fine gamestop(anybody) that whenever they sell a m rated game to a minor. they already do it for tobacco and alchohol, why should they be any different.

And look how that has worked in the other attempts of the lawmakers (most, if not, all of them have failed. Usually by being shot down as unconstitutional). 

This bill will fine the stores for selling an m-rated game to a minor, but that's only if the store advertises that they don't sell m-rated games to minors. Thus, stores wont get into trouble with this bill if they don't bother with ratings anymore, which undermines the whole idea of having ratings to begin with. Now, retailers could potentially still enforce the ratings, but they wouldn't be able to talk about it, but what constitutes as advertising the ratings? 

The bill is pointless overall. In fact, the FTC found that minors were only able to purchase m-rated games 20% of the time in a secret shopper study which was down from 40% from 2006. Sure, Gamestop led the pack probably because they were a video game oriented store, but the point is that the video game industry and retailers are doing a heck of a job in trying to keep inappropriate content away from minors. In fact, the same study shows that the secret shoppers were able to buy r-rated movie tickets 35% of the time, r-rated DVD's 47% of the time, unrated DVD's 50% of the time, and PAL (parental advisory label) rated music 56% of the time.

Yes, I would agree that more can be done to try and keep retailers and parents informed about the ratings of games, but the laws that have been written are a step backwards in this effort.

 

 

the esrb wont stop rating games for this reason. or did you forget the fact that the big three will not, let any game on there systems that are not rated. this bill is good for the industry, it will shut up alot of the people that say videogames are for children.anyways the kids will still get there games they will just run to mommy and she will flash there id and there kid gets the new grand theft auto.



IllegalPaladin on 25 March 2009

It amazed me one day when I was playing TF2 on the PC and somebody complains that another player is mic spamming. What makes me want to beat my head against the desk is that when told to just mute the guy, they respond with "Why should I have to mute him? Can't he just stop being an idiot?"

Is it really that inconvienent to take a total of 5-10 seconds (the time it takes to respawn) to mute one guy?



dsister44 on 25 March 2009
vlad321 said:
dsister44 said:
vlad321 said:
dsister44 said:
i was kind of hoping that this bill would be passed. i mean twelve year olds should not be playing grand theft auto.

Been playing DOOM since I was a weee lil lad. Also DOOM3 when I was like 12-14. I want a good argument out of you as to why 12 year olds shouldn't play GTA.

 

 

 

i also hate all the ten year old kids on xbox live playing halo, if i am called gay 1 more time by a kid that has never even had his first kiss then i will kill somebody.but to answer your question(kinda) its one of the benefits of being older.likke smoking and the death penalty

To be honest I was in the top 5 of any given game back in the day too. Also your reasoning fails. Why don't you do what normal people do and fuck the game sound and just blast music through your 5.1?

 


then whos going to call them gay?

IllegalPaladin on 25 March 2009
dsister44 said:
IllegalPaladin said:
dsister44 said:
IllegalPaladin said:
dsister44 said:
i was kind of hoping that this bill would be passed. i mean twelve year olds should not be playing grand theft auto.

I hope you're being sarcastic because the bill would try and destroy the progress gained by the ESRB and retailers to inform customers of the ratings and content in games.

The bill is really just a waste of taxpayer's money that would most likely get struck down in court.

 

how would it destroy the progress of the esrb? all this would do is fine gamestop(anybody) that whenever they sell a m rated game to a minor. they already do it for tobacco and alchohol, why should they be any different.

And look how that has worked in the other attempts of the lawmakers (most, if not, all of them have failed. Usually by being shot down as unconstitutional). 

This bill will fine the stores for selling an m-rated game to a minor, but that's only if the store advertises that they don't sell m-rated games to minors. Thus, stores wont get into trouble with this bill if they don't bother with ratings anymore, which undermines the whole idea of having ratings to begin with. Now, retailers could potentially still enforce the ratings, but they wouldn't be able to talk about it, but what constitutes as advertising the ratings? 

The bill is pointless overall. In fact, the FTC found that minors were only able to purchase m-rated games 20% of the time in a secret shopper study which was down from 40% from 2006. Sure, Gamestop led the pack probably because they were a video game oriented store, but the point is that the video game industry and retailers are doing a heck of a job in trying to keep inappropriate content away from minors. In fact, the same study shows that the secret shoppers were able to buy r-rated movie tickets 35% of the time, r-rated DVD's 47% of the time, unrated DVD's 50% of the time, and PAL (parental advisory label) rated music 56% of the time.

Yes, I would agree that more can be done to try and keep retailers and parents informed about the ratings of games, but the laws that have been written are a step backwards in this effort.

 

 

the esrb wont stop rating games for this reason. or did you forget the fact that the big three will not, let any game on there systems that are not rated. this bill is good for the industry, it will shut up alot of the people that say videogames are for children.anyways the kids will still get there games they will just run to mommy and she will flash there id and there kid gets the new grand theft auto.

I've not said anything about the ESRB stopping their rating process.

This bill is going after the retailers. I'm saying that it's easy for a store to get off the hook of this bill because of the way it's written. The part that the industry is concerned with is that is the bill would go after retailers who advertise that they use the rating system (ie - not sell the game to a child because the ESRB has rated the game for people 17 and up) and if a store stops doing that, they could not only sell a game to a minor and not get into trouble from this bill, but they wouldn't be able to inform people about the ratings because that could fall under advertising.