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WereKitten said:
^Had to Google that, and I don't see how it applies.
Do you care to articulate that rehashed expression? Because your "out of the box/widely supported" argument didn't tread much water in the face of the balance board example.

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The line has already been drawn. People who don't already own a Wii and do own an X360 have pretty much rejected the Wiimote concept. This wont appeal to those X360 owners. Those who would be looking to purchase a Wii vs X360 will choose Wii 99 to 1 on recognition alone that the Wii is the it console to have for all your motion sensing stuff.



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@Viper1

Yeah, I Googled that. It also did not need to be given a new name because it has been known for more than twenty years as the "cargo cult" mentality :)

But my question was how it applied to the discussion, not what it meant. I don't see the relevance of that article. I'm not saying that if you code casual games on a 360 they will sell as much as the ones on the Wii, or have a giant console sales boost.
I'm saying that the balance board + Wii Fit being a system seller by itself shows that for many people the core Wii is a commodity appliance. Give them a similar experience centered around a different console and they won't care, where by experience I mean software + hardware + public image.

 

@dharh

That's why I said that it's all in the marketing.



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What you said was this: "You don't need major software support. You need a simple sport game and a simple racing game and a party/minigames title, in bundles. And lots of marketing."

That's your analysis, and it's highly superficial. The truth is there's a lot more to it than that, nobody will win over the new generation thinking like that.



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best i can see this doing is getting late wii ports. which i dont think 360 owners want to play without updated gaphics but i dont think companies would waste money on that if they dont think the game will sell...

it gives 3rd party more chance of selling more now though.

how much would late wii ports cost anyway? less than 1 million? i



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Won't affect Wii at all. 360 does not and never will appeal to blue ocean. It should result in some interesting games though if its done right.



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@Demotruk

What is this, the week of wannabe memes? "new generation"?
That's just PR nonsense.
And mine was not an analysis, it was just an invitation to the readers to think for themselves about what the Wii experience really means for the widened audience, and if it is really as unique and irreplaceable as the marketing drones want you to think.

Give the same people a nice, fun, accessible game for the family with good multiplayer. Give them an easy and intuitive set of motion controls. Give them the marketing campaign that makes it look easy and simple and safe.

They won't even know that they are playing something other than the Wii, just as they don't remember if their dvd player is a Pioneer or a Panasonic. They know that they put the dvd in, press play and the movie starts. The experience is important, the console itself is immaterial.



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You can look at it as PR nonsense if you wish. Though all things foul would wear the brows of grace, Yet grace must still look so.

And it was a very simple analysis of what the Wii is to it's customers. The Wii hasn't sold millions of software units on "a simple racing game, a simple sport game and a party/minigame title". The controller would need software support, a few "me too" titles would not cut it.



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www.xnagg.com/zombieasteroids/publish.htm

It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.

^Not to all its customers, but to most of them i.e. not the Nintendo core gamers.

And I can't see why a very limited library wouldn't be attractive for them. The software attach rate for the widened Wii audience is probably less than 4. Of those 4 games one is always Wii Sports, and by the software sales numbers the other three are Wii Fit / Mario Kart Wii / another Mario or Sonic game / a party game.



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WereKitten said:

@Demotruk

What is this, the week of wannabe memes? "new generation"?
That's just PR nonsense.
And mine was not an analysis, it was just an invitation to the readers to think for themselves about what the Wii experience really means for the widened audience, and if it is really as unique and irreplaceable as the marketing drones want you to think.

Give the same people a nice, fun, accessible game for the family with good multiplayer. Give them an easy and intuitive set of motion controls. Give them the marketing campaign that makes it look easy and simple and safe.

They won't even know that they are playing something other than the Wii, just as they don't remember if their dvd player is a Pioneer or a Panasonic. They know that they put the dvd in, press play and the movie starts. The experience is important, the console itself is immaterial.

You're still giving them birdman status.  You don't provide a superficial replication and expect replicated sales.

Putting Wii fit on X360 right now would do absolutely nothing....that's feathers on a dog.   You have to be a bird from the get go.  

 

I don't think you've grasped just how many factors are required to be in perfect balance to achieve what Wii has.  The parts on their own won't work.   It's the name, price, design, allure, direction, marketing, retail support, distribution support, generated public perception, demand, complementary and incendental circumstances, etc...   If you don't have those in line from the start you're just adding feathers on a dog.

 

 



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