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^ @ WereKitten and Alby

Very good points indeed. :)

This generation is a very strange and different one.

That's what I love about VGChartz. So many perspectives. :)



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SmokedHostage said:
The DS finally hits 100 million units.

I'm still perflexed as to how the Wii still isn't selling above 360+PS3.. It can't be supply..

 

 Probably RE5



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Alby_da_Wolf said:

@selnor:
So just do the maths: this gen's winner has every interest in keeping it alive as long as possible, whichever competitor stops before, so much the worse for it, as Wii is winning with really huge absolute numbers, but with a market share smaller than PS2 last gen, so it's leaving more room to competitors. This doesn't mean that nobody should launch its next gen console too early compared to Nintendo, each one should follow its plans about this, but simply that it shouldn't retire its current console as long as it sells well.

 

 Big difference, PS2 had a year advance over its competitors to build up marketshare, Wii entered the market a year behind one of its competitors an  has since then thundered to almost 50% marketshare, in the face of frequent supply issues, in fact WW it has sold faster than both the DS and the PS2

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS2&reg2=All&cons3=DS&reg3=All&weeks=123

 

 



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

justinian said:
slowmo said:
justinian said:
^^Nintendo's gaming business model is far superior to MS and Sony's. Last gen with the smallest market share their generated the most profit (all be it with gameboy's help) while MS lost billions and Sony's profit by no means reflected their massive market share.

Market share don't mean much as we can all see what happened to Sony.
Ask Sony what they would've prefered last gen, more profit or marketshare?

Question: How on earth can a cutting edge x360 arcade cost less to produce than the wii - a console that many consider no more powerful than last gens original xbox?

Yet the wii sells for a handsome profit at twice the price whilst MS price drops are cutting massive chunks out of their revenue.

On the whole the far cheaper xbox360 should be selling far more than the expensive PS3 (at least double). Let's not mention the wii because that is a totally different beast.

 

 If you were going for an impartial take on the scenario then the statement I highlighted just makes you look like a fanboy.  We should mention the Wii in any comparisons and there is no way the 360 should be selling double the amount of the PS3, thats not how demand works mate.

OK, maybe you are right about that statement and I accept that. Maybe twice as much is an exaggeration. I do however believe the wii should be left out, not as an insult to the wii but it's sales are so astronomical it's a bit pointless comparing it to the other two.

My point is despite holding all the gaming cards like price, library, 3rd party support, massive advertising campaign, etc., the xbox360 is not selling as I expected it would. In all honesty I expected it to be competing more directly with the wii in sales.

Look at past posts and you will see many thought the same with the price cut.

As for fanboyism....please. I at some point owned and enjoyed all three. I got the 360 and enjoyed it until the third prod and decided to give up as it obviously didn't like my house. I now own a wii and recently picked up a PS3.

I am just writing what I think and would support/attack nintendo, MS or Sony should it be necessary to get my point accross.

 

If I had wanted to call you a fanboy I would have done it blatantly and not used a cunning veil of words.  Your post was pretty balanced then you spoilt it with the last sentence before which is a shame as I realised you were trying to be objective in your opinion.  I didn't pin point you to have any problem mate and you more than entitled to have your own opinion.  I just wanted to highlight that one sentence (at least for me) ruined the perspective in your post.

I used to be of the opinion that the Wii was pointless in debate (its a phenom) but unfortunately whether for good or bad (IMO) the Wii will change console gaming and its impact will be felt for a long time into the future.

 



@Slowmo

There is plenty of wii prejudice going on in these forums but that doesn't mean that everyone that says something that may be consider negative regarding the wii is anti-wii.


As for Ninendo changing the face of gaming it's already clear to see

Nintendo set out for a different market and accomplished that.

Now MS jumps on the bandwagon and started shouting "We are casual too" after proclaiming to be hardcore.

MS or Sony (or both) laughed and call the wii a gimmick. Now MS is gonna do the same and pretend like they always knew it would work.

Processing power of consoles and gigaflops and all that rubbish was the talk of the last gen and the beginning of this gen. The wii came along and turned all that to hogwash, the vast majority of people that are buying consoles don't care about that crap.
Are MS and Sony going to start all this "mine is bigger than yours" talk next gen? We shall see.








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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

@selnor:
So just do the maths: this gen's winner has every interest in keeping it alive as long as possible, whichever competitor stops before, so much the worse for it, as Wii is winning with really huge absolute numbers, but with a market share smaller than PS2 last gen, so it's leaving more room to competitors. This doesn't mean that nobody should launch its next gen console too early compared to Nintendo, each one should follow its plans about this, but simply that it shouldn't retire its current console as long as it sells well.

 

 Big difference, PS2 had a year advance over its competitors to build up marketshare, Wii entered the market a year behind one of its competitors an  has since then thundered to almost 50% marketshare, in the face of frequent supply issues, in fact WW it has sold faster than both the DS and the PS2

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS2&reg2=All&cons3=DS&reg3=All&weeks=123

 

Yes, but now it's hovering quite stably around 50% and supply issues are over. But it must be repeated that that 50% means an absolute number, as I said and you showed, greater than what PS2 got in the same time, this means that this gen current user base is alredy HUGE, even after 3and 1/2 years for XB360 and only 2 and 1/2 for Wii and PS, and it still has wide growth potential, retiring too early would mean kicking away big possible sales and it would be particularly detrimental to Sony or MS, as they must recover bigger initial investments.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

@selnor:
So just do the maths: this gen's winner has every interest in keeping it alive as long as possible, whichever competitor stops before, so much the worse for it, as Wii is winning with really huge absolute numbers, but with a market share smaller than PS2 last gen, so it's leaving more room to competitors. This doesn't mean that nobody should launch its next gen console too early compared to Nintendo, each one should follow its plans about this, but simply that it shouldn't retire its current console as long as it sells well.

 

 Big difference, PS2 had a year advance over its competitors to build up marketshare, Wii entered the market a year behind one of its competitors an  has since then thundered to almost 50% marketshare, in the face of frequent supply issues, in fact WW it has sold faster than both the DS and the PS2

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS2&reg2=All&cons3=DS&reg3=All&weeks=123

 

Yes, but now it's hovering quite stably around 50% and supply issues are over. But it must be repeated that that 50% means an absolute number, as I said and you showed, greater than what PS2 got in the same time, this means that this gen current user base is alredy HUGE, even after 3and 1/2 years for XB360 and only 2 and 1/2 for Wii and PS, and it still has wide growth potential, retiring too early would mean kicking away big possible sales and it would be particularly detrimental to Sony or MS, as they must recover bigger initial investments.

 

 Thing is Nintendo's Sales arc for the Wii is much larger than that of that 360 and PS3,  PS3 and 360 will see tapering demand before the Wii, the Wii for example has yet to see a price drop or an alternative color come out, unlike its competitors



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

@selnor:
So just do the maths: this gen's winner has every interest in keeping it alive as long as possible, whichever competitor stops before, so much the worse for it, as Wii is winning with really huge absolute numbers, but with a market share smaller than PS2 last gen, so it's leaving more room to competitors. This doesn't mean that nobody should launch its next gen console too early compared to Nintendo, each one should follow its plans about this, but simply that it shouldn't retire its current console as long as it sells well.

 

 Big difference, PS2 had a year advance over its competitors to build up marketshare, Wii entered the market a year behind one of its competitors an  has since then thundered to almost 50% marketshare, in the face of frequent supply issues, in fact WW it has sold faster than both the DS and the PS2

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS2&reg2=All&cons3=DS&reg3=All&weeks=123

 

Yes, but now it's hovering quite stably around 50% and supply issues are over. But it must be repeated that that 50% means an absolute number, as I said and you showed, greater than what PS2 got in the same time, this means that this gen current user base is alredy HUGE, even after 3and 1/2 years for XB360 and only 2 and 1/2 for Wii and PS, and it still has wide growth potential, retiring too early would mean kicking away big possible sales and it would be particularly detrimental to Sony or MS, as they must recover bigger initial investments.

 

 Thing is Nintendo's Sales arc for the Wii is much larger than that of that 360 and PS3,  PS3 and 360 will see tapering demand before the Wii, the Wii for example has yet to see a price drop or an alternative color come out, unlike its competitors

Actually the Wii is already seeing huge tapering demand in its home market where it is selling 50% less in 2009 than in 2008 so far and 2008 already sold less than 2007.

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

^But it keeps selling great in EU, and spectacularly in NA.
A hint about the reason: there's a correlation between Wii sales and Adult Obesity Incidence :)



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WereKitten said:

^But it keeps selling great in EU, and spectacularly in NA.
A hint about the reason: there's a correlation between Wii sales and Adult Obesity Incidence :)

 

In others words, Wii owners are Fat !

LOL



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !