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Megadude on 22 March 2009
gergroy said:
Megadude said:
There is another problem with new JRPG's... They suck.


None of these games can hold a candle to SNES RPG's from back in the day.

Here's another problem. JRPG's are suppsed to be 40-100 hours to complete. A lot of people are saying WRPGs like mass effect are way better then new JRPG's. And they are right. But you can beat mass effect in 6 hours. Now look how long it takes to develop a short 6 hour long game and think about how long it would take to develop a game that is 10X as long. That's why People have high hopes for FF 13 because it's going to be big budget big graphics LONG ass game. Were going to see more quality JRPG's as this gen continues games that have been in development for 5-7 years.

 

 yes ME and Fable are short, but WRPG's aren't all that way.  Look at Oblivion and Fallout, even without all the expanded content, there is easily about 200 hours worth of play time in oblivion, and I'm still working on Fallout, so who knows:)  I don't think FFXII wil be more than 40 hours though. 

 

 Yes but not the main story. While both of those games are longer then mass effect you can finish them in 15 hours or so. A JRPG will take 40 hours to finish before you ever even get into the extra stuff.



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The Anarchyz on 22 March 2009

Japan still loves the JRPG genre, and it's already demonstrated that a new IP can sell better on the PS3 than an established franchise on the 360...

In the West, it's not that people don't care anymore about console JRPGs, the thing is that the great majority of console JRPG lovers that have a PS2 have decided to go Wii, go PS3 or stick to the PS2, only a little portion of the fans have a 360 (while the great majority of 360 owners are western-oriented fans, especially of the shooter genre), the only game that is selling really well is Lost Odyssey, and i wonder how much the game would've sold if the cover didn't have "From the creator of Final Fantasy" (i think the game is good BTW)...

Meanwhile the franchise that always brings the JRPG boom in the West since the PS1 era is absent, we still don't know about a release date here, hell we don't know a Japanese release date, FF7 was ready 2 years into the PS1 lifespan, FF10 was ready A YEAR into the PS2 lifespan, the PS3 already has 2 years and 4 months in JP and NA, and 2 years in EU, by the time FF13 comes out in JP it will be 3 full years, and in the West it probably would be 3.5 to 4 years, that's not helping the genre either...

So my point of view is that the 360 getting the JRPGs is not helping the genre, but it's not the only problem, this gen has a lot of issues that last gen didn't have (like console western-oriented fanbase growing, the PS3 not being dominant, the Wii not being 3rd party choice, the 360 doing all the deals and the handhelds getting main games like DQ9), this caused a lot of confusion, now the genre is still viable, but the companies (from consoles to software) have to wake up of this mess they have caused...



Legend11 on 22 March 2009

Why did the original blogger use Ryu Ga Kotuku 3 as an example when he is talking about JRPGs? Also why doesn't he address the fact that Xbox 360 development kits were available to Japanese third-parties earlier than PS3 ones (a reason why many developers went with 360 for their initial HD efforts). If Square had chosen PS3 for some of these games they still might be in development.   What about moneyhats?  The situation isn't as clear-cut as the blogger thinks.



Jo21 on 22 March 2009

someone send this to wada ,NOW!.

@legend because is made by japanese developers and its a third party.

either way WKC it way ahead any 360 JRPG too.



ShinGundam on 22 March 2009
pbroy said:
Microsoft needs to put a Sega sticker over the Microsoft name, then it will sell.

Look at Yakuza, it was made by Sega. Sony doesn't deserve any credit for what Sega made. ¬_¬

I thought scej made good CM for RGG 3 :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok6wp5JNG4Q

same to WKC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_IvNkAREF8

Not to metion some sony stamp over there

http://www.valkyria-anime.com/news/index.html#n26

Sony doesn’t deserve but they did good job



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gergroy on 22 March 2009
Megadude said:
gergroy said:
Megadude said:
There is another problem with new JRPG's... They suck.


None of these games can hold a candle to SNES RPG's from back in the day.

Here's another problem. JRPG's are suppsed to be 40-100 hours to complete. A lot of people are saying WRPGs like mass effect are way better then new JRPG's. And they are right. But you can beat mass effect in 6 hours. Now look how long it takes to develop a short 6 hour long game and think about how long it would take to develop a game that is 10X as long. That's why People have high hopes for FF 13 because it's going to be big budget big graphics LONG ass game. Were going to see more quality JRPG's as this gen continues games that have been in development for 5-7 years.

 

 yes ME and Fable are short, but WRPG's aren't all that way.  Look at Oblivion and Fallout, even without all the expanded content, there is easily about 200 hours worth of play time in oblivion, and I'm still working on Fallout, so who knows:)  I don't think FFXII wil be more than 40 hours though. 

 

 Yes but not the main story. While both of those games are longer then mass effect you can finish them in 15 hours or so. A JRPG will take 40 hours to finish before you ever even get into the extra stuff.

 

 very true, good point:)  Although JRPG's generally don't have as many side missions... which I don't really know if that is good or bad.  Sometimes I really like doing side quests and sometimes I really don't.  I guess it depends on the game:)  LIke Fable 2, the sidequests on that game pretty much suck.  Ah, let me chop wood for hours in this crappy mini game:)



Garnett on 22 March 2009
pbroy said:
What a crybaby... too much pride. If you want a game, buy the console it's on to play it. I bought a PS3 for Final Fantasy XIII. Which became moot and pissed me off. But If I hadn't bought a PS3, I would have never been able to play the best PS3 game ever made, Valkyria Chronicles.

QTF!

 

Agreed.

 



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pbroy on 22 March 2009
ShinGundam said:
pbroy said:
Microsoft needs to put a Sega sticker over the Microsoft name, then it will sell.

Look at Yakuza, it was made by Sega. Sony doesn't deserve any credit for what Sega made. ¬_¬

I thought scej made good CM for RGG 3 :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok6wp5JNG4Q

same to WKC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_IvNkAREF8

Not to metion some sony stamp over there

http://www.valkyria-anime.com/news/index.html#n26

Sony doesn’t deserve but they did good job

Thank you for making a reply to my post the first post you made on this site. n_n

Sega is awesome, there is no denying it. It would be in Sony's best interest to promote Sega games.

 

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Garnett on 22 March 2009

Sony SEGA needs to bring Valk Chrncl to 360 NOW!,I dont care how many DVD's i will buy it.

 

Edit-Fixed a typo.



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Dgc1808 on 22 March 2009
The Anarchyz said:
Japan still loves the JRPG genre, and it's already demonstrated that a new IP can sell better on the PS3 than an established franchise on the 360...

In the West, it's not that people don't care anymore about console JRPGs, the thing is that the great majority of console JRPG lovers that have a PS2 have decided to go Wii, go PS3 or stick to the PS2, only a little portion of the fans have a 360 (while the great majority of 360 owners are western-oriented fans, especially of the shooter genre), the only game that is selling really well is Lost Odyssey, and i wonder how much the game would've sold if the cover didn't have "From the creator of Final Fantasy" (i think the game is good BTW)...

Meanwhile the franchise that always brings the JRPG boom in the West since the PS1 era is absent, we still don't know about a release date here, hell we don't know a Japanese release date, FF7 was ready 2 years into the PS1 lifespan, FF10 was ready A YEAR into the PS2 lifespan, the PS3 already has 2 years and 4 months in JP and NA, and 2 years in EU, by the time FF13 comes out in JP it will be 3 full years, and in the West it probably would be 3.5 to 4 years, that's not helping the genre either...

So my point of view is that the 360 getting the JRPGs is not helping the genre, but it's not the only problem, this gen has a lot of issues that last gen didn't have (like console western-oriented fanbase growing, the PS3 not being dominant, the Wii not being 3rd party choice, the 360 doing all the deals and the handhelds getting main games like DQ9), this caused a lot of confusion, now the genre is still viable, but the companies (from consoles to software) have to wake up of this mess they have caused...

 

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