I recommend this film to anyone who wants to learn more about Obama. It's not a hit piece, but more of who's in his administration and their policies. You can watch it on goole video, youtube, or dl it on torrent sites.

TheRealMafoo said: SciFiBoy said: akuma587 said: TheRealMafoo said:   Flame bait? I never just post “Obama sucks” or rarely ever post an editorial of my own. I always post articles from either CNN or the NYT. I make sure none of my articles are from Fox News, or Huffington. I purposely only post news that's mainstream and fact based. Your thread on the front page: Obama might be the dumbest president we have ever had. Here is what you said: Ok, I get that we have different ideologies, and feel that government should play a different role in people's lives. I also realize that does not make one person smarter than the other, just different. But, this is unbelievable. I think it's obvious that the root cause of our current finical problems is the government incentivizing and guaranteeing loans that banks would otherwise not give. If the government had not stepped in and basically bribed banks to give subprime loans, we would not be in this mess. Obama knows this. We all know this. So why would anyone in their right mind think it's a good idea to do it again? Then you throw out a link to an article which you have not even discussed in the least.  You didn't post any contents from that article or tell anyone what the article was even about.     i know, lol, that other thread was pure flame bait, especially the bolded part, i mean wtf? how is that gonna do anything other than cause an argument?   That post is now 24 pages long, and currently still having a good debate in it. Not sure I would use that article as an example of flame bate.

so you wouldnt mind if i made a thread called "Obama is doing the right thing, if you disagree youre an idiot"?

Yes?

He should know better.

Also... yes you can criticize someone for attempting or planning to do something.

If someone plans to or attempts to murder me for example... it's well in my right to criticise them.

The problem is Obama is imposing this AFTER giving out the funds.

The government is basically saying they don't like a contract they signed so they are going to change the rules to fix it.

That's bullshit.

AIG should be able to spend the money on the biggest pizza party in the world if they want to.

SciFiBoy said: TheRealMafoo said: SciFiBoy said: akuma587 said: TheRealMafoo said:   Flame bait? I never just post “Obama sucks” or rarely ever post an editorial of my own. I always post articles from either CNN or the NYT. I make sure none of my articles are from Fox News, or Huffington. I purposely only post news that's mainstream and fact based. Your thread on the front page: Obama might be the dumbest president we have ever had. Here is what you said: Ok, I get that we have different ideologies, and feel that government should play a different role in people's lives. I also realize that does not make one person smarter than the other, just different. But, this is unbelievable. I think it's obvious that the root cause of our current finical problems is the government incentivizing and guaranteeing loans that banks would otherwise not give. If the government had not stepped in and basically bribed banks to give subprime loans, we would not be in this mess. Obama knows this. We all know this. So why would anyone in their right mind think it's a good idea to do it again? Then you throw out a link to an article which you have not even discussed in the least.  You didn't post any contents from that article or tell anyone what the article was even about.     i know, lol, that other thread was pure flame bait, especially the bolded part, i mean wtf? how is that gonna do anything other than cause an argument?   That post is now 24 pages long, and currently still having a good debate in it. Not sure I would use that article as an example of flame bate.   so you wouldnt mind if i made a thread called "Obama is doing the right thing, if you disagree youre an idiot"?

Go for it. make sure you explain what he is doing right, and why thinking it's wrong is idiotic.

btw, I didn't call people an idiot for thinking it was right. I asked them why anyone in there right mind would think it was a good idea. No one seemed to have a good answer.

Yeah, I get it, you're a republican you're angry. Can't you just make a topic and say "I'm an angry republican". We'll all get it, we'll understand and you won't have to make a new topic about it every day.

TheRealMafoo said: SciFiBoy said: TheRealMafoo said: SciFiBoy said: akuma587 said: TheRealMafoo said:   Flame bait? I never just post “Obama sucks” or rarely ever post an editorial of my own. I always post articles from either CNN or the NYT. I make sure none of my articles are from Fox News, or Huffington. I purposely only post news that's mainstream and fact based. Your thread on the front page: Obama might be the dumbest president we have ever had. Here is what you said: Ok, I get that we have different ideologies, and feel that government should play a different role in people's lives. I also realize that does not make one person smarter than the other, just different. But, this is unbelievable. I think it's obvious that the root cause of our current finical problems is the government incentivizing and guaranteeing loans that banks would otherwise not give. If the government had not stepped in and basically bribed banks to give subprime loans, we would not be in this mess. Obama knows this. We all know this. So why would anyone in their right mind think it's a good idea to do it again? Then you throw out a link to an article which you have not even discussed in the least.  You didn't post any contents from that article or tell anyone what the article was even about.     i know, lol, that other thread was pure flame bait, especially the bolded part, i mean wtf? how is that gonna do anything other than cause an argument?   That post is now 24 pages long, and currently still having a good debate in it. Not sure I would use that article as an example of flame bate.   so you wouldnt mind if i made a thread called "Obama is doing the right thing, if you disagree youre an idiot"?   Go for it. make sure you explain what he is doing right, and why thinking it's wrong is idiotic. btw, I didn't call people an idiot for thinking it was right. I asked them why anyone in there right mind would think it was a good idea. No one seemed to have a good answer.

define "right mind" if you mean wether or not theyre intelligent, then you were calling them idiots, if you mean "right-wing mindset" then fair play but that means youre spoke out of context.

Obama is imposing higher taxes on the financial sector? yes? thats a good thing, makes the people repsonsible for the crisis pay the price and a fair share given that they earn 75x the average wage or something daft like that

Obama wants to make the banks lend again? again this is a good thing, more lending will help mortgage holders and small bussiness get through the hard times

Obama wants more regulation? yet again this is a good thing, means that the new lending is done sensibly and does not involve large risks, that way the financial sector is secure

 Actually, he stated earlier that he was a libertarian.

SciFiBoy said: TheRealMafoo said: SciFiBoy said: TheRealMafoo said: SciFiBoy said: akuma587 said: TheRealMafoo said:   Flame bait? I never just post “Obama sucks” or rarely ever post an editorial of my own. I always post articles from either CNN or the NYT. I make sure none of my articles are from Fox News, or Huffington. I purposely only post news that's mainstream and fact based. Your thread on the front page: Obama might be the dumbest president we have ever had. Here is what you said: Ok, I get that we have different ideologies, and feel that government should play a different role in people's lives. I also realize that does not make one person smarter than the other, just different. But, this is unbelievable. I think it's obvious that the root cause of our current finical problems is the government incentivizing and guaranteeing loans that banks would otherwise not give. If the government had not stepped in and basically bribed banks to give subprime loans, we would not be in this mess. Obama knows this. We all know this. So why would anyone in their right mind think it's a good idea to do it again? Then you throw out a link to an article which you have not even discussed in the least.  You didn't post any contents from that article or tell anyone what the article was even about.     i know, lol, that other thread was pure flame bait, especially the bolded part, i mean wtf? how is that gonna do anything other than cause an argument?   That post is now 24 pages long, and currently still having a good debate in it. Not sure I would use that article as an example of flame bate.   so you wouldnt mind if i made a thread called "Obama is doing the right thing, if you disagree youre an idiot"?   Go for it. make sure you explain what he is doing right, and why thinking it's wrong is idiotic. btw, I didn't call people an idiot for thinking it was right. I asked them why anyone in there right mind would think it was a good idea. No one seemed to have a good answer.   define "right mind" if you mean wether or not theyre intelligent, then you were calling them idiots, if you mean "right-wing mindset" then fair play but that means youre spoke out of context. Obama is imposing higher taxes on the financial sector? yes? thats a good thing, makes the people repsonsible for the crisis pay the price and a fair share given that they earn 75x the average wage or something daft like that Obama wants to make the banks lend again? again this is a good thing, more lending will help mortgage holders and small bussiness get through the hard times Obama wants more regulation? yet again this is a good thing, means that the new lending is done sensibly and does not involve large risks, that way the financial sector is secure

That's not a higher tax.  What he's putting in place is a wage cap.

As in.  No matter how hard you work you can't make anymore since your going to get taxed like 90% on it.

Also he's putting all this power in the fed... which was one of the main causes of our meltdown...

By right mind, I mean a good way of thinking, not right or left.

And where did Obama raise taxes on the financial sector?

As far as making banks lend...

Here is the problem.

Banks want to lend. They just only want to lend to people who will pay the loans back. Right now, it's hard to know who that is. Bankers are smart. They don't throw good money after bad. What Obama is trying to do, is say “give more small businesses loans even if they are high risk, and if it fails, we will pick up the bill”.

The reason banks won't loan these small businesses money, is because they will fail. Banks have people who look over the business plans, and understand a good one from a bad one.

Why is it a good idea to fund a bad one?

This is what happened in the housing industry. Banks did not give loans to people who were likely to not pay them back. Government made those loans profitable to Banks, so Banks gave them out.

The same thing will happen with small businesses.

Explain to me why this is a good idea?

Fixed.

@Monty

Mafoo is right. Somewhat.