If we look at the million sellers for the each console:

Wii: 194.2 M

Wii minus Wii Sports: 150.1 M

Wii minus Wii Sports and Wii Play: 127.56 M

Wii minues Wii Sports, Wii Play and WiiFit: 110.33 M

PS3: 61.1 M

XBox 360: 148.8 M

As we can see Wii Sports gives a significant advantage to Wii software numbers. But so do Wii play and Wiifit with their extra controllers. This idea of adding hardware working nicely to get more hardware into homes. I would not be surprised if by the latest next gen. M$ and Sony will bundle more things.

Still if we think about software from these numbers and porportions to user base M$ clearly has the egde and is the prefered console for the American audience for multi HD games while in Europe it is more balanced. But the Wii is at a pivital point were it should start to see the same sales numbers as the HD consoles for all multi games like Madden that come to all of the current gen. This year if games like Tiger Woods and Madden on the Wii fail to outsell the PS3 version then that market clearly has chosen the other console as preference.

wow so 360 sells as many games as nintnedo does (not including wii sports) with only half the user base?

congrats Microsoft. But good job nintendo too

Wii is doing very well, so is the 360, but it has a one year advantage.

Well, to start, duh. If you have been paying attention to the numbers on this site at all, you would see that the Wii rarely losses a week in the software department.

And I don't get your Madden point. It will sell better on PS3, but it won't change anything.

WII Sports also doesn't count, it's bundled. If you want to argue it counts, then solitaire, or minesweeper are the number 1 selling game of all time, with over a billion sold, bundled, with windows.

But those games come on the pc, not a separate disk...

Madden will sell better on PS3 than Wii no question about it.

Tiger Woods on Wii already easily outsells 360 & PS3 - in fact according to this site it almost outsells their combined total - and that's before WM+, it'll be huge with WM+ added.

Irregardless you can't compare like that because the HD systems have a different user base with different tastes than Wii does. For example- a huge portion of Wii owners are female whereas very few females own a 360 or PS3.

Your point? So... All those bundled "pain" PSN voucher cards, don't count as a pain game sold? Pain doesn't come on a disc.. :(

You can't win, i'm right. Though WII Sports isn't bundled in Japan, so they might buy some.

If you won't count WiiSports then exclude all X360\PS3 bundled games too. That's around minus 26M in SS sales for X360 by my calculations.

Yes, you have to. It's only fair, these games which would barely sell, are somehow classified as "best selling game of all time" and it's not fair. Kung fu panda? Somehow counted as a few million with arcade sales? do those games deserve that "sales recognition"?

Not to say WII sports wouldn't sell, just look at wii play and stuff, but no where near what it is now.