I think that this site already knows that the game sucked, and that IGN was being honest. Other GOOD games like Warhawk and Heavenly Sword got perfectly good scores.

Play Magazine is clearly the biased one. 9.0 is bullshit, I smell a David Manning here. (If you don't know about Manning then google him and check it out for yourself.)

I also find it kinda funny that a lot of the PS3 fans on multiple occasions put down Factor 5 on lists of their all time favorite developers based on this previously unreleased game.

Well, when discussing Boogie, some Wii fans will

-attack a site that give a game a bad score for being "anti-[my favorite console]"

-adopt the "it's too early to tell" strategy of damage control

-argue "bad reviews don't matter" for various reasons

-make the "how do you know it's bad if you haven't played it?" argument

DKII said:
Seriously who uses 1up for Wii reviews? They pretty much blatantly hate the system and motion controls in general.

shams said:

Guys, lets wait for a bunch of reviews to hit first. We know a bunch of sites traditionally "hard-mark" Wii titles - especially Wiimote heavy ones.

ClaudeLv250 said:

You've played it?

fazz said:
Ok, the guys at 1up tend to disagree with the other reviewers around... be it for bad or for good haha. That's why I don't believe on reviews anymore, because they are very very very subjective.

Lingyis said:
hmm, maybe this will become a cult favorite. seriously, some people would really like it. it looks pretty over the top to me.

i mean, you just don't know until you've tried it... it's just a totally new kind of game! if you say "it doesn't interest me", that means you're being close-minded.

Diomedes1976 said:
1Up and EGM actually HATES motion controls .

Cobretti said:
meh who cares chicks will dig this game. [Boogie was reviewed by a woman]

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I have to agree with Legend11 and Bodhesatva from that thread:

"Fans of all consoles are more alike than they would ever admit to or even realize."

And if PS3 fans still defended Lair more than Wii fans defended Boogie (and they did), it's because (as Wii fans point out repeatedly in that Boogie thread) Boogie was never supposed to be the great AAA system-seller game that Lair was hyped up to be, plus the Wii is in much better shape than the PS3 and doesn't really require the same level of defending from its fanboys.

This is why I love Penny Arcade. Spot on really.

@sinha - I stand by my comments. Some sites do mark Wii titles harshly - 1UP being one of those. Wii Sports got pretty crappy scores, and I love it.

You did however do a good job of trimming comments that went the other way out of your post. I believe (after a couple more reviews for Boogie) that I concluded that its a crap game (something EA has become masterful at).

Well sinha, you have a bit of a point, although Wii fans were mainly attacking 1up.

IGN also rated Boogie like sh*t, but not too many complained about that...IGN's good about ratings.

But I definitely still heard people saying IGN and others were wrong about Lair, and that they were way too harsh.

The big problem with Lair is that it has been hyped for so long. Then suddenly, it sucked so hard that the people that believed how good Lair might-have-been couldn't handle the sudden truth and find reasons to continue to believe it's a good game.

I bet there are people that still believe Earth is flat. How else can we stand on it, right?

Cutting quotes from PS3 fanboys to make them apply to Wii fanboys are we? Those were bad picks on your part. Diomedes was obviously still bitter about their Lair review, and looking for the opportunity. Shams, Fazz, and DKII (doesn't even own a Wii) were attacking 1UP, which pretty much all Wii fans have been doing since this came out:

1UP Xbox 360: -3.5%
1UP PS3: -3.8%
1UP Wii: -9.5%

Shams also cautioned waiting for other reviews. I'd say that's pretty fair. So that leaves you with Lyngis, Claude, and Cobretti. Hardly a wall of defense for the game. As soon as the IGN reviews came out the Wii fans admitted it was bad and dropped it.

There are still topics defending Lair and attacking reviewers. These have been made as recently as hours ago. Disagreeing with one review I understand, but disagreeing with a unanimous opinion accross all credible review sources is different. The reasons it's getting defended are what really bothers me. It's like people think that everyone will hate the PS3 forever just because of one bad game. That's what I don't understand.  The only people who associate this game as being the defining factor for the PS3's library are ignorant anyway.  There is no reason to defend a bad game this vehemently.

Wow, I lol'd hard at that. I replied to ck with a similar reply he made in another thread and now it's somehow being desperately twisted into defense for Boogie. I'll have to keep in mind that this is one of _those_ sites - going to have to make it quite explicit the meaning behind your post before it gets turned into cannon fodder over a PS3 game, and even then they can just snip what you're replying to and make it work in their favor when they need it most.

Either that or they paid to much attention to the Sony hype machine for the last 2 years, or both.

Woohoo, a plug for IGN.  Not that I really care.  So Lair sucks, the PS3 doesn't, and life somehow goes on.  Amazing.

huh, my first paragraph was saying maybe some people would like it. i was mostly being nice about it.

and the next paragraph about "close-minded"--i was responding to somebody saying something like "i'm just not interested in this kind of game".

and yeah, that was before the reviews came out.

"Some sites do mark Wii titles harshly - 1UP being one of those. Wii Sports got pretty crappy scores, and I love it."

Certain Wii fans in that Boogie thread (specifically, Desroko and HappySquirrel) actually made that very same argument, by looking at 1UP scores compared to Gamerankings across a large number of Wii games.  The reason I didn't include those comments in my post above is because they were rational, relatively unbiased, and actually convincing.

The second sentence is just a terrible argument, and one that is frequently made on gaming forums.  Your loving something that got "pretty crappy scores" is proof of absolutely nothing.  Take it to its logical conclusion and then realize that there are also people out there who loved Van Wilder 2 and Hour of Victory (see the user review from "FPS Master" making the same argument). .

"I believe (after a couple more reviews for Boogie) that I concluded that its a crap game."

And your comment was probably the least worthy of being included; waiting for more reviews before making a judgment is pretty much always a good idea. 

But there were PS3 fans who made the same argument whenever a bad Lair review was posted.  Did you as a Wii fan make that same argument after the first review bashing Lair came out?