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Strategyking92 on 20 March 2009
NJ5 said:
Strategyking92 said:
NJ5 said:

One more thing increasing PS360 budgets... Now if you make a 1-2 GB demo and it gets downloaded 2 million times on the PS3 throughout the lifetime of your game, you'll cough up an additional $320,000-$640,000.

Wasn't the RE5 demo downloaded 4 million times not too long after it got released? It would be nice to have more such data.

 

 

now that you mention it, could that be why the demo was exclusive to the xbox? Capcom probably didn't want to pay the fees!

It was not exclusive to the Xbox! Unless you aren't talking about RE5.

 

*doesn't know what to say*

 

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Aprisaiden on 20 March 2009

Its not a bad idea by SONY to find revenue from PSN without charging the user base and it only applies to free content since SONY already took a cut from paid content.

Anyway if developers don't like it their is only 2 alternatives their going to need to argue why SONY should pay or why PSN users should pay for PSN's bandwidth...



NJ5 on 20 March 2009
Aprisaiden said:
Its not a bad idea by SONY to find revenue from PSN without charging the user base and it only applies to free content since SONY already took a cut from paid content.

Anyway if developers don't like it their is only 2 alternatives their going to need to argue why SONY should pay or why PSN users should pay for PSN's bandwidth...

Actually I just read the whole article and it applies to free content as well (for 60 days).

 



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NJ5 on 20 March 2009

Interestingly, it seems Sony is ripping off publishers. The going rate from CDNs (content-distribution networks) seems to be less than $0.10 per GB, while Sony is charging $0.16 per GB.

An article with recent bandwidth price information:

http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/10/good-news-for-small-huge-cdn-customers-prices-dropped-in-q3

Sony making a profit from demo downloads confirmed?

 



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ssj12 on 20 March 2009
JamesCizuz said:
People know Microsoft does this to right? Live is P2P, and if a game uses P2P, it's free for the developer, but games which use dedicated servers, such as left 4 dead, need to pay ALL cost of the servers. As well as XBL licensing fees are more per game on the marketplace, though they don't charge for bandwidth there.

 

and this is why there is lag. P2P is not designed for gaming. It is designed for file sharing and downloading. Even with people getting faster connections it will never be enough to properly stream content for games.

 

I really dont see why publishers are complaining. Even with these added fees the PSN is still free for users to use which allows for more content to be purchased off the PSN versus off Live.



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Strategyking92 on 20 March 2009
ssj12 said:
JamesCizuz said:
People know Microsoft does this to right? Live is P2P, and if a game uses P2P, it's free for the developer, but games which use dedicated servers, such as left 4 dead, need to pay ALL cost of the servers. As well as XBL licensing fees are more per game on the marketplace, though they don't charge for bandwidth there.

 

and this is why there is lag. P2P is not designed for gaming. It is designed for file sharing and downloading. Even with people getting faster connections it will never be enough to properly stream content for games.

 

I really dont see why publishers are complaining. Even with these added fees the PSN is still free for users to use which allows for more content to be purchased off the PSN versus off Live.

 

You don't need to be a gold subscriber to buy or update content.

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djs on 20 March 2009

The fee should be much bigger to force publishers include the "extra" dlc that should be on the disc on the first place!



heruamon on 20 March 2009

ROFLMAO....hey, guess PSN isn't "free" after all...This is probably why publishers are slamming sony for a price cut...if they have to pay thru the nose for this nonsense, they are demanding more sales of the console. Something has to give, and sony will either have to cut prices, or cut this policy out...or worst...lose DLC! Mind you, this isn't jsut paid DLC, but free ones as well, like demos...that sucks for ps owners...but hey, it's free, so what do you expect!



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jetrii on 21 March 2009
ssj12 said:
JamesCizuz said:
People know Microsoft does this to right? Live is P2P, and if a game uses P2P, it's free for the developer, but games which use dedicated servers, such as left 4 dead, need to pay ALL cost of the servers. As well as XBL licensing fees are more per game on the marketplace, though they don't charge for bandwidth there.

 

and this is why there is lag. P2P is not designed for gaming. It is designed for file sharing and downloading. Even with people getting faster connections it will never be enough to properly stream content for games.

 

I really dont see why publishers are complaining. Even with these added fees the PSN is still free for users to use which allows for more content to be purchased off the PSN versus off Live.

You are both a little misinformed. Xbox Live and PSN work in essentially the same way. When youl og into Live/PSN, your ifno goes to the server and you're logged in. When you want to play a game online, you're taken into the server for that game where you can select which match/level to play. For most games on both platforms, once you find a game, a host is selected and the rest are clients. However the clients are fairly smart and should the host leave, they quickly and seamlessly select a new host and the game continues. Some older games don't do this and there is a second or two lag.

Both Xbox Live and PSN do this for most games. There are a gew games in which the host is actually run by a server on Xbox Live and PSN, but this is not the case for most games so don't pretend it is. The main difference is that once an Xbox 360 developer finishes a game, they give Microsoft the code and Microsoft handles everything for them. PSN developers need to either run all the servers themselves or pay Sony an additional fee to do it for them.

Also, 16 cents per GB is very reasonable compared to other distribution companies. It's not for games, but the company in which I work in pays around 50% more to distribute very large content around to clients.

 



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Lafiel on 21 March 2009

MS lets users pay, Sony lets Publishers pay - I somehow prefer the latter model, you know