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Final-Fan on 21 March 2009

Get a grip Megadude.



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Final-Fan on 21 March 2009
Khuutra said:
Megadude said:
Do you not see the difference between a 200kb MP3 and a 50 GB HD movie? Try harder.
I'm sorry, your point has escaped me. What?

Not just his point.  Since when are MP3s 200kb? 



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ChichiriMuyo on 21 March 2009

Comparing LD to BR is ridiculous. Laser Disc never came close to having the market share that BR does now, and BR's market share just keeps increasing over time. BR adoption has so far been faster than DVD adoption, even. Anyone who thinks there is anything significantly different from BR's position today and DVD's ten years ago doesn't remember 1999 very well, and anyone who thinks there is even remotely similar trends between LD and BR is completely clueless.



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Khuutra on 21 March 2009
ChichiriMuyo said:
Comparing LD to BR is ridiculous. Laser Disc never came close to having the market share that BR does now, and BR's market share just keeps increasing over time. BR adoption has so far been faster than DVD adoption, even. Anyone who thinks there is anything significantly different from BR's position today and DVD's ten years ago doesn't remember 1999 very well, and anyone who thinks there is even remotely similar trends between LD and BR is completely clueless.

My original point in bringing up Laser Disc was not to use is as an example against Blu-Ray (that would be ludicrous). The point I am arguing is that video and audiophiles do not determine the course of format wars any more than they do console wars.



Ascended_Saiyan3 on 21 March 2009
Shanobi said:
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
sinha said:

I buy more movies than anyone I know, and I have around 350 DVDs and only 4 Blu-rays.
The main problem is I can only play Blu-rays on my PS3, whereas I can watch DVDs on any of the 10 DVD players around my house, and with friends and relatives, none of whom have PS3s.

If Blu-ray is going to become the next standard, the price of Blu-ray players needs to reach the $100 range before digital downloads catch on. It will be interesting to see who wins that race.   Personally, I doubt that will happen, so I think some form of digital downloads will be the next standard.  Blu-rays will still exist even if that happens, but then so did LaserDisc, Betamax, UMD, etc.

It was the same with DVD.  These are the same things brought up with EVERY major packaged movie successor (just check the links I provided, earlier in this thread, to VHS vs. DVD websites).

BTW, UMD is not a movie standard meant to  take over DVD or anything.  It's just the type of disc that PSP games and movies use.  In other words, UMD is NOT a movie standard...period.  Also, Laserdiscs and Betamax doesn't exist.  UMD will exist as long as the PSP does (movies are still put on UMD).

 

 

Laser disc production didn't stop until this year, 2009. The first Laserdisc came out in 1979, I think.

 

And I do believe that Sony wanted UMD to become the new portable standard for movies and media. They tried to use the PSP as the trojan horse for the medium, just as they've tried to do with the PS3 and blu-ray. Don't kid yourself. It just failed, much like their superior Betamax got wiped out by VHS.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserdisc

The last PLAYERS stopped in 2009.  The last discs made is another story.  The 1st Laserdisc came out 1978 (Jaws).  Like I said, it doesn't exist.  Also, like I said, market share never reached beyond 2% in the US.  I wondering why I have to keep repeating myself on the SAME points and with the similar links?

NOTHING supports the theory of Sony wanting UMD to become anything but a vehicle for more revenue from the PSP.  In order for that theory to make sense, there would need to be a UMD player besides the PSP.



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ChichiriMuyo on 21 March 2009

Which presupposes the idea that only videophiles are picking up BR. That's not the case, though. What we are seeing is stand-alone BR player sales up over 50% yoy in the midst of a deep recession. If it were just the videophile market going after BR, then sales would not be up so dramatically. The videophiles have already bought their BR players, and the general public is now going after them in greater numbers despite not necessarily having the money to afford such products in such a bad economy.



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Khuutra on 21 March 2009
ChichiriMuyo said:
Which presupposes the idea that only videophiles are picking up BR. That's not the case, though. What we are seeing is stand-alone BR player sales up over 50% yoy in the midst of a deep recession. If it were just the videophile market going after BR, then sales would not be up so dramatically. The videophiles have already bought their BR players, and the general public is now going after them in greater numbers despite not necessarily having the money to afford such products in such a bad economy.

I agree. I have said before that I see Blu-Ray surpassing DVD within a fairly rapid timeframe.

My only point is that this is because Joe Average has opted to adopt this format rather than reject it. Videophiles did not do this.



Ascended_Saiyan3 on 21 March 2009
Khuutra said:
Megadude said:
Khuutra said:

I see you'e deciding to latch on to one particular point here - but was not LaserDisc the point of choice for true videophiles?

Was not Audio DVDs the choice for true audiophiles?

Video philes and audio philes are necessarily people who seek the highest quality at any given time. They are also extremely niche and do not decide the courses off these things. You can claim all you want, but the success of any given media generation is reliant on the average consumer, not the niche that can spend thousands on hardware nobody else feels they need.

Again: it's why we're all listening to MP3s, and why the originl portable radio was the biggest thing since cheese.

Do you not see the difference between a 200kb MP3 and a 50 GB HD movie? Try harder.

I'm sorry, your point has escaped me. What?

Think about it.  You're not even talking about packaged media for one. Secondly, you don't seem to understand what MOST video/audiophiles means.  That's what brought cassettes to power over 8-tracks, CDs to power over cassettes and records, DVD to power over VHS, and Blu-ray to power over HD DVD (and by proxy will most likely bring  Blu-ray to power over DVD).

If you don't get it now, you probably won't.  Then, you will just have to find out in the long.  Of course, you will be puzzled as to why it happened like I've said it would.

 



Khuutra on 21 March 2009
Ascended_Saiyan3 said:
Khuutra said:
Megadude said:

Do you not see the difference between a 200kb MP3 and a 50 GB HD movie? Try harder.

I'm sorry, your point has escaped me. What?

Think about it.  You're not even talking about packaged media for one. Secondly, you don't seem to understand what MOST video/audiophiles means.  That's what brought cassettes to power over 8-tracks, CDs to power over cassettes and records, DVD to power over VHS, and Blu-ray to power over HD DVD (and by proxy will most likely bring  Blu-ray to power over DVD).

If you don't get it now, you probably won't.  Then, you will just have to find out in the long.  Of course, you will be puzzled as to why it happened like I've said it would.

I'm not sure you get his point either. But only because I still haven't figured it out myself.

I'm not sure you know what video/audiophile means, at this juncture. Wait, yes, actually, you do, you're just ignoring every ten which indicates they don't decide the course of events. Or, wait, no, you're combining the idea of video philes with early adopters, so maybe you're confused. It's hard to say.

I have said - repeatedly - that I expect blu-ray to win over DVD. Stop ignoring that. It doesn't change the fact that you're wrong about why it's going to happen.



Ascended_Saiyan3 on 21 March 2009
Khuutra said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
Which presupposes the idea that only videophiles are picking up BR. That's not the case, though. What we are seeing is stand-alone BR player sales up over 50% yoy in the midst of a deep recession. If it were just the videophile market going after BR, then sales would not be up so dramatically. The videophiles have already bought their BR players, and the general public is now going after them in greater numbers despite not necessarily having the money to afford such products in such a bad economy.

I agree. I have said before that I see Blu-Ray surpassing DVD within a fairly rapid timeframe.

My only point is that this is because Joe Average has opted to adopt this format rather than reject it. Videophiles did not do this.

"Average Joe" mainly move on price, when it comes to technology.  Therefore, the options are removed by the audio/videophiles (hence the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray HD format war).  After that, manufacturers take over by slowly converting them over to that technology by lowering prices.  What "average Joe" would buy a DVD player that's only $10 or so less than a Blu-ray player that plays DVDs AND Blu-rays?  The same thing happens for the Hollywood studios.  Have you noticed how they are beginning to devalue their older DVDs in light of DVD's slipping revenue?  You can't fight it.  It's the way of the world.