if u want to punish hammas punish the others too
if the US believes hammas is wrong and committed crimes they should think the same of the terrorists they once supported in different areas to achieve whatever goals they wanted to achieve.
I didn't ignore that Hamas isn't just a military army. I said they were the duly elected government of the Palestinian people. That makes them a political entity. Please re-read what I said before making accusations.
Despite Fatah's issues (and there are many), they've been a lot better at handling the Israeli issue than Hamas. Fatah hasn't been launching rockets into Israel proper in quite some time.
It's a difficult issue when we're discussing Israeli-Palestinian issues, because it's correct that neither side fought fair. However, the Palestinians did far more - irregular combat, human shields, black propaganda, to fight Israel than the use of WP and 2 civilian shootings. I don't think either side is innocent - both are guilty. But I look at what Hamas has done, and think they've done a little bit more wrong.
Hopefully, however, with the war crimes issue, Israel can go back, and look at the bad press over this kind of stuff, and realize the Palestinians need better conditions - more access to a free market - to hamper some of these issues. Of course, it seems like it's a never-ending cycle thanks to the rocket attacks. I wonder why the West Bank doesn't have these issues?
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
| mrstickball said: I didn't ignore that Hamas isn't just a military army. I said they were the duly elected government of the Palestinian people. That makes them a political entity. Please re-read what I said before making accusations. Despite Fatah's issues (and there are many), they've been a lot better at handling the Israeli issue than Hamas. Fatah hasn't been launching rockets into Israel proper in quite some time. It's a difficult issue when we're discussing Israeli-Palestinian issues, because it's correct that neither side fought fair. However, the Palestinians did far more - irregular combat, human shields, black propaganda, to fight Israel than the use of WP and 2 civilian shootings. I don't think either side is innocent - both are guilty. But I look at what Hamas has done, and think they've done a little bit more wrong. Hopefully, however, with the war crimes issue, Israel can go back, and look at the bad press over this kind of stuff, and realize the Palestinians need better conditions - more access to a free market - to hamper some of these issues. Of course, it seems like it's a never-ending cycle thanks to the rocket attacks. I wonder why the West Bank doesn't have these issues? |
red: i wasn't making any but u said u understand that Palestinian eleceted hammas to fight for the lands and u also use hard words i can't understand :(
green: i see them equall, hammas just doesn't have techno to make what they do look less worse.
blue: thanx , I hope that too.
pink -lol- : many countless reasons but I wanna go watch lost now :P
finally , the situation there is a never ending cycle as u said unless others interfere.
| mrstickball said: Hamas was elected with 76 of the 132 available seats in the Palestinian parliament. That is a 57.5% majority. I understand why Hamas was elected. The Palestinians feel that they are owed their lands, and want to fight for it. So they elected radical elements in their country to lead them to prosperity. The same reason any political group comes to power. The issue is that Hamas is on many major nation's list for being a terrorist organization. From Wikipedia: The United States lists Hamas as a "Foreign Terrorist Organization".[34] Canada officially describes Hamas as a "a radical Sunni Muslim terrorist organization."[224][225] The European Union lists Hamas among the entities against which it applies restrictions in order to combat terrorism.[37] Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Hamas maintains a terrorist infrastructure in Gaza and the West Bank, and acts to carry out terrorist attacks in the territories and Israel."[226] Japan stated in 2005 that it had frozen the assets of "terrorist organizations, including... Hamas."[227] That would lead me to believe that Hamas isn't as rosy as your trying to paint it. They are the duly elected leaders of the Palestinian people, and should be treated as such. And if they commit acts of war, they should be treated with proper response. Now, for the OP - I do think that it's prudent that a full investigation is led into any atrocities committed. Soldiers should be punished if they violated Geneva convention rules, or did anything outside the lines of the proper conduct of war. I just wonder if Hamas would do the same for their irregular army. |
The United Nations say Israel is an occupying force in Gaza and the West Bank, they say Israel is in violation of several resoulutions, they were bombed by Israel for daring to provide shelter and help for Palestinian Children
| mrstickball said: im_sneaky - The palestinians voted in Hamas....Doesn't that make civilians co-conspirators in whatever Hamas does? |
What's funny is that's the same stupid logic Hamas and other groups you call terrorists use to kill civilians. Since we elect our officials alqueda considers it perfectly ok to destroy the world trade centers.
superchunk said:
What's funny is that's the same stupid logic Hamas and other groups you call terrorists use to kill civilians. Since we elect our officials alqueda considers it perfectly ok to destroy the world trade centers.
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One group avoids civillian targets, the other aims for civillian targets. It's people like you that don't get "this" that are the problem.
If the Jews really wanted to cause palestinian civillian casualties, the numbers would be in the tens of thousands.
Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
— Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire
Tyrannical said:
One group avoids civillian targets, the other aims for civillian targets. It's people like you that don't get "this" that are the problem. If the Jews really wanted to cause palestinian civillian casualties, the numbers would be in the tens of thousands. |
so bombing a UN school was fair game to you? killing children is also ok to you?
| SciFiBoy said: so bombing a UN school was fair game to you? killing children is also ok to you? |
I don't think they did it on purpose.
The Isreali army could massacre all the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza virtualy overnight before anyone could intervene. If that was their goal, which it isn't.
Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
— Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire
Tyrannical said:
I don't think they did it on purpose. The Isreali army could massacre all the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza virtualy overnight before anyone could intervene. If that was their goal, which it isn't. |
how do you accidentally bomb UN buildings and shoot civilians within youre line of sight?
War has collateral damage. It is a bitch but war is hell. Try to get that through your minds guys. Kill or be killed and urban cqb doesn't help at all.
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