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Gilgamesh said:

Every generation seemed to be decided by graphics, that was always the biggest improvement every generation.

This generation we're in (the 7th gen) I consider to be the HD generation, so the Wii can't fit into that so I would say it belongs in the 6.5 generation.

What the heck are you on about? Generations have been decided by time and not by graphics.  In gaming and in anything else.  Are you in a different generation from your sister if she is much better looking than you?

 



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Oh for christ's sake!



@WereKitten,

All 3 major products came out within a year, like it was planned that way. All 3 wanted to serve the same purpose, of getting me to sit on my couch and pump hours of gaming into the machine. All 3 wanted my money. I could only afford one. I only wanted one. I did research and picked which one I wanted. That is direct competition, no?

But if you're so hell-bent on disagreeing with the terminology that the whole internet has accepted, how would you prefer to classify consoles that come out at the same time but are radically different? Maybe I'll run your idea by the whole internet and see if they all change their mind.

Without numbering 7 generations in chronological order, each generation needs its own specific name. Wait, do you agree that there have been 7 so far? Or do you feel there have been less or more?



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Gilgamesh said:

(Alright don't throw stuff at me for what I'm about to say, it's just what I think, and I am a graphics whore so that would explain my answer, I just want to know if other people think this aswell)

I consider the Wii not part of this generation. Every generation seemed to be decided by graphics, that was always the biggest improvement every generation. Now I know the Wii has improved graphics over the GameCube, but compared to how different the PS3 is to the PS2 and X360 to the Xbox (or the HD consoles) the Wii isn't much of an improvement on graphics.

This generation we're in (the 7th gen) I consider to be the HD generation, so the Wii can't fit into that so I would say it belongs in the 6.5 generation.

The wii is very much a part of this gen. It's just that it is new gen as opposed to next gen.

 



WereKitten said:

Come on, guys, no need to get that angry an cocky. It's all a matter of conventions, and the "next-gen" blurb started as pure market speech that was then given more definite meaning than it was meant to.
When the marketing was spouting stuff like "next-gen gaming" in 2005 was it referring to any gaming occurring on consoles that would come on the market later chronologically, or was it about graphics, complex AI, big open worlds?

In other fields, say nuclear power plants, there are very clean cut technical meanings when talking of generations, it has nothing to do with market or chronological order. So I am not that surprised if someone leans on giving this kind of interpretation to the term.

Plus there's not even a clean cut definition on what a console is. Are handhelds consoles? Are they part of the n-th generation, or do they have their own?
And if they have a parallel categorization, why? Is it because they don't compete on the market with the "traditional consoles"?
But we see a trend going on in Japan where gaming is moving to handhelds, so maybe they are.

And if things are not that clean cut maybe one can have doubts about the Wii, too. And wonder why we keep splitting in mythic "market shares" between Wii, X360 and PS3.
How many of the install base are Wii-exclusive owners, and how many gamers do possess one in addiction to a PS3 or 360?
And of those who own only a Wii, how many are in the same market as a x360 or ps3?
Because many of them would never have bought a console without a wiimote or a balance board. For those people the Wii is not a competing console that does the same things better than others, it is an entirely different thing. Like a handheld is.

All these things said, is it really that absurd if someone has doubt if it makes sense to consider the Wii part of the current "generation"?

PS - to show that you get different "logical" results if you choose different criteria:
2+2=-7 if you are working in modulo 11 arithmetic
the earth is flat if you define flat as anything having a local curvature radius over 1000km

This is what most of the comments should be talking about (*cough instead of PS2 vs GC graphics cough*...) he brings up a lot of good points.



I have to dissagree with ya. i including many others consider the wii to be part of the generation, not cause of the horse power but the amount of time it can last in the market until the next line of consoles emerge and the system retires. to be fair, the successor to a previous console is allways going to be the next generation mainly because its a new and powerfull conslole. thats how i see it




BengaBenga said:
Ari_Gold said:
outlawauron said:
makingmusic476 said:
outlawauron said:
BengaBenga said:
outlawauron said:

Well, I still believe that PS2s graphics were better than the Gamecubes. (I really don't care about specs if the games don't look better)

RE4...

Sorry, but nothing on Gamecube looked better than God of War 2, Okami, and Shadow of the Colosus.

But RE4 looked better on the GC than it did on the ps2.  :P

I stand by my statement.

not to play devils advocate, i agree with outlawauron, ps2 graphics were better than most games on the gamecube. there were only a few games on the GC that looked better than PS2 games. Such examples: RE4, RE0, RE, Windwaker, Twilight Princess.

So you mean to say that all the major exclusives, so where devs actually try to max the system, look better than PS2 games. Tells me enough.

Most multiplat games look better on GC as well. Splinter CEll looks horrible on PS2, but pretty good on GC (and amazing on Xbox). The difference between the two RE4's should in itself be enough evidence that the GC is the stronger system though.

I know the Gamecube is supposed to be "Stronger" but that doesn't equal better graphics. And yes we're comparing exclusives to exclusives.



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Ari_Gold said:
outlawauron said:
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outlawauron said:
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Riot Of The Blood said:
outlawauron said:
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burgerstein said:

Dreamcast graphics sucked compared to PS2/GC/Xbox...

Not compared to the PS2, though.

Especially not compared to Gamecube. 

Gamecube's graphics were a lot better than the sucky Dreamcast's were.

Well, I still believe that PS2s graphics were better than the Gamecubes. (I really don't care about specs if the games don't look better)

RE4...

Sorry, but nothing on Gamecube looked better than God of War 2, Okami, and Shadow of the Colosus.

But RE4 looked better on the GC than it did on the ps2.  :P

I stand by my statement.

not to play devils advocate, i agree with outlawauron, ps2 graphics were better than most games on the gamecube. there were only a few games on the GC that looked better than PS2 games. Such examples: RE4, RE0, RE, Windwaker, Twilight Princess.

 

 

Man, please...  I don't know why this is even up for discussion.

I hated how devs would overuse motion blur in the vast majority of the PS2's games to hide the hardware's anti-aliasing deficiency.  Stacked side-by-side, multiplat PS2/GC games always showed the GC build to be superior most of the time.  It's no doubt about it, the Gamecube games generally had much better graphics.  May be hard for some fanboys to swallow, but it is what it is.