i watched the BBC's panorama programme on Immigration, im curios what you guys think about immigration and how we should deal with illegal immigration?
No right answer.
Immigration policies are import however deportation costs a lot while it costs little to sneak in and the benefits are great.
Anything more harsh just seems... well harsh.
Politically speaking, the Republican's party's anti-immigration stance has essentially lost them Hispanics as a demographic. This is particularly ironic considering how religious Hispanics are and how they have several other natural affinities with Republican values.
I think we need to completely overhaul the way we look at our relationship to our neighbors. Our border with Mexico has become like a military state. We need to legalize marijuana and take a new look at how we currently handle immigration. The last time we tried to overhaul immigration it was a huge failure. I am not sure whether Obama is going to address it or not. It might be an issue he worries about more on the campaign trail in 2012.
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| akuma587 said: Politically speaking, the Republican's party's anti-immigration stance has essentially lost them Hispanics as a demographic. This is particularly ironic considering how religious Hispanics are and how they have several other natural affinities with Republican values. |
He's from the UK. So he probably means like the Asylum centers and such.
Actually Europe faces a lot of the same problems the U.S. does, at least financially. The cultural dynamics are quite a bit different though.
The main immigrants to Europe are Muslims. They are moving from a very religious culture to a very secular culture. Many Muslims have had trouble integrating into that society. Many European citizens are worried that the Muslim value system is in many ways incompatible with their own.
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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
What I find funny about immigration is - in Mexico, I dare a U.S. citizen to try and get a job without papers. My sister loves Mexico, but has to get tons of paperwork to work there.
Yet, I can't tell you the number of places I've been where someone can't speak English and can get jobs.
I believe in a country of laws. If you think a law is wrong, fight to have it changed. Breaking it is not the right answer.
So for me, illegal immigrants should be dealt with, with accordance to the law. Deported whenever caught.
That being said, I think we need to change the laws with respect to immigration. I think it should be a lot easier to get in this country. My feelings on the subject however, don't trump the law.
| akuma587 said: Actually Europe faces a lot of the same problems the U.S. does, at least financially. The cultural dynamics are quite a bit different though. |
A lot of muslims I know intergrate quite well with English culture. It is true that the country is secular and religion is largely redundant here, however, they are often active in their own communities for religious fulfilment and outside of their communities they very adaptable people so it works very well for them.
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I think the reason for this is that England does not intefere largely with peoples religious beliefs and religious societies.
highwaystar101 said:
A lot of muslims I know intergrate quite well with English culture. It is true that the country is secular and religion is largely redundant here, however, they are often active in their own communities for religious fulfilment and outside of their communities they very adaptable people so it works very well for them. -edit- I think the reason for this is that England does not intefere largely with peoples religious beliefs and religious societies. |
muslims probably do intergrate fine (despite the best efforts of the media) but im afraid that religion interferes far too much with politics here, we have "faith" schools and shit, once theyre gone, intergration will be much better as religion wont be a factor
Immigration has a massive benefit to our economy. Afterall, our population is made up of 8% of immigrants, but they make up for 10% of our GDP (which puts those "they come here to mooch off our benefits" arguments to shame).
At the same time, immigration has put a big strain on our public services, and bringing them back up to scratch will be costly, but, overall, immigration has a positive effect on our economy.
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