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I think that it is foolish to believe in a personal god because you have zero chance of getting it right. However, I wont dismiss the possibility of a creator per se, if someone could show me evidence for a creator I would be open to reading it, but it needs to be scientific and logical. Not just 'mr X said that he was son of god Y and it says this in book Z, which a fair few millenia old, follow it blindly sinner', which happens far too much and I'm sure most of you notice I go from nice to hostile when that happens.



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"If everybody else on earth woke up one day and decided to become a Satanist, then I would become a Christian."
--supposed to be a paraphrase of something Anton Lavey supposab(d?)ly said.



Heavens to Murgatoids.

highwaystar101 said:
I think that it is foolish to believe in a personal god because you have zero chance of getting it right. However, I wont dismiss the possibility of a creator per se, if someone could show me evidence for a creator I would be open to reading it, but it needs to be scientific and logical. Not just 'mr X said that he was son of god Y and it says this in book Z, which a fair few millenia old, follow it blindly sinner', which happens far too much and I'm sure most of you notice I go from nice to hostile when that happens.

Premise 1: We are soon on the verge of developing computers that will be able to recreate human minds

Premise 2: As such, we could develop computers that could recreate an entire world or even solar system.

 

Logical conclusion: If this technology became available, we would use it to create these "false" worlds for research, also likely for entertainment.  These false worlds when technologically advanced enough would create there own false worlds.

Logical Conclusion 2: Therefore it's logical to assume that the odds of being a "real" world vs a "fake" world are very small even in a universe that wouldn't have a god.

Logical Conclusion 3:  It's statistically probable we are living in a false world.  AKA a world created by someone else.  It is statistically probably a creator exists.



religions and gods are all creations of men, they are the necesety for men to explain unexplainable things, as friedrich nietzsche said "god is dead" he is indeed of no use in modern times since we can explain everything with science so why do cling to him?



 

I was christened so i guess i am christian , but I'm not a strict christian i do belive in some sort of greater force but i'm not sure what, until then PS3 is my god :)



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emilie autumn said:
religions and gods are all creations of men, they are the necesety for men to explain unexplainable things, as friedrich nietzsche said "god is dead" he is indeed of no use in modern times since we can explain everything with science so why do cling to him?

We REALLY REALLY can't.

Hell most scientists think it's likely possible we can't even perceive everything.  Let alone explain it.



Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
I think that it is foolish to believe in a personal god because you have zero chance of getting it right. However, I wont dismiss the possibility of a creator per se, if someone could show me evidence for a creator I would be open to reading it, but it needs to be scientific and logical. Not just 'mr X said that he was son of god Y and it says this in book Z, which a fair few millenia old, follow it blindly sinner', which happens far too much and I'm sure most of you notice I go from nice to hostile when that happens.

Premise 1: We are soon on the verge of developing computers that will be able to recreate human minds

Premise 2: As such, we could develop computers that could recreate an entire world or even solar system.

 

Logical conclusion: If this technology became available, we would use it to create these "false" worlds for research, also likely for entertainment.  These false worlds when technologically advanced enough would create there own false worlds.

Logical Conclusion 2: Therefore it's logical to assume that the odds of being a "real" world vs a "fake" world are very small even in a universe that wouldn't have a god.

Logical Conclusion 3:  It's statistically probable we are living in a false world.  AKA a world created by someone else.  It is statistically probably a creator exists.

 

So you think we've been created by some person trying to do research? Yeah...

And it is not statistically probable, to simulate a world as complex as ours is almost impossible. There are billions of human beings on this earth and even more animals, insects, etc. We are far from being "soon" to develop such computers

 



Kasz216 said:
emilie autumn said:
religions and gods are all creations of men, they are the necesety for men to explain unexplainable things, as friedrich nietzsche said "god is dead" he is indeed of no use in modern times since we can explain everything with science so why do cling to him?

We REALLY REALLY can't.

Hell most scientists think it's likely possible we can't even perceive everything.  Let alone explain it.

we humans can't, but a superior creature(aliens) maybe be able to or developement of such a machine that will lead you to detection of such things you can't percieve, our brain hasn't being exploited to its maximum capacity yet so we still ahven't seing all from human beings



 

I'm fine with being people being stupid, and I'm fine with people, stupid or not, trying to make other people stupid. So I don't have a problem with religious people trying to convert. To become religious, there must be a weak link in the first place.



 

 

im_sneaky said:
I'm fine with being people being stupid, and I'm fine with people, stupid or not, trying to make other people stupid. So I don't have a problem with religious people trying to convert. To become religious, there must be a weak link in the first place.

Well, religious people are human...so there is your weakness...being human.