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This thread still lack quality pictures of said women playing with their Wii's.



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supermario128 said:
Undying said:
I think they like the shape of the controller.

 

So do I, what's that got to do with it?

 

I think he got the joke.




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OK wait, does this include mom's buying Wii's for their child? I have a feeling it does & they are just saying this to attract more of the expanded audience -_-



arsenal009 said:
OK wait, does this include mom's buying Wii's for their child? I have a feeling it does & they are just saying this to attract more of the expanded audience -_-

If the demographic surveys worked that way, they'd show almost no children or teenagers playing any console; most of them don't have that kind of money playing around. Yet those two markets make up the biggest demographic on all consoles, and the console makers know this, so they must be conducting their polls in a way that accounts for the difference between who buys consoles and who plays them.

In other words, your tired ZOMGKIDDY attack doesn't hold water.



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famousringo said:
theprof00 said:

Oh, are we talking first party?

Immediately I would say Wii fit, animal crossing.... I'm sure there are others.

Those of course are up for debate, but not an interesting one. The commercials for animal crossing had 2 women talking to each other while they played the game online. Commercials usually are pointed directly at the demographic, by using the demographic in it. I'm sure you know that already, I'm just backing up my point.

 

Nope. Try again.

Using your logic, Metroid Prime 3, Fatal Frame 4, Guitar Hero and the DS itself also target women, since they've all had ads featuring only women using them. I think you'll have a hard time backing up that position.

You're confusing marketing with game development. Just because an ad for a game targets a demographic, it doesn't necessarily follow that the game also does. All of the above products, including Wii Fit and Animal Crossing, are designed to appeal to both genders (or at least, not to alienate one of them), and there is a big difference between making a product which appeals to a demographic and one which targets a specific demographic.

All Nintendo products are designed to appeal to as broad a demographic as possible, because to target a specific one is to throw away potential sales to other demographics. Making something for half the population is daft if you could sell it to the whole population by broadening its appeal.

Why don't you try telling me what a game for women is smartass.

 



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theprof00 said:

Why don't you try telling me what a game for women is smartass.

 

 

I suggest you ask Ubisoft. They're the only company I've seen talk about exclusively targeting women.



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famousringo said:
theprof00 said:

Why don't you try telling me what a game for women is smartass.

 

 

I suggest you ask Ubisoft. They're the only company I've seen talk about exclusively targeting women.

 

no, i'm not going to go ask ubisoft. Since you seem to think there are no games targetting women I want you to tell me what you think a game like that would be if not wii fit.

It is plainly obvious that games like wii fit or animal crossing are for both genders, and it is so obvious I don't know why you waste your time even talking about it as a point. The other games you mentioned had ads with mixed genders playing the games, which you failed to mention. While you could make the same point about wii fit, I think that wii fit may have close to an equal distribution 50% female to male.

you are the one with the argument who is cherry picking arguments. I told you plain and simple that targetting women will make more money and you simply cannot accept that.

Either make a compelling argument or just drop it.

Right now where the argument stands, you need to tell me how they are not targetting women, because that is your whole point and if you can't back up your point, then you had no point to begin with.



theprof00 said:
famousringo said:
theprof00 said:

Why don't you try telling me what a game for women is smartass.

 

 

I suggest you ask Ubisoft. They're the only company I've seen talk about exclusively targeting women.

 

no, i'm not going to go ask ubisoft. Since you seem to think there are no games targetting women I want you to tell me what you think a game like that would be if not wii fit.

It is plainly obvious that games like wii fit or animal crossing are for both genders, and it is so obvious I don't know why you waste your time even talking about it as a point. The other games you mentioned had ads with mixed genders playing the games, which you failed to mention. While you could make the same point about wii fit, I think that wii fit may have close to an equal distribution 50% female to male.

you are the one with the argument who is cherry picking arguments. I told you plain and simple that targetting women will make more money and you simply cannot accept that.

Either make a compelling argument or just drop it.

Right now where the argument stands, you need to tell me how they are not targetting women, because that is your whole point and if you can't back up your point, then you had no point to begin with.

 

You're the one who can't understand the difference between targeting women and appealing to women. I'm getting tired of repeating myself, so this is the last time I will explain it to you.

The difference is that targeting excludes while appealing does not. World of Warcraft appeals to women.  Ubisoft's Imagine series targets women. That's why you'll find lots of males playing World of Warcraft alongside women, and almost none playing Imagine games.

Nintendo does not target women, it appeals to them. This is a superior strategy because you leave the other 49% of the market open to enjoy your product. The only way Nintendo is going to get women users much higher than 50% is by targeting them and driving away potential male customers. Ergo, it is a bad strategy.



"The worst part about these reviews is they are [subjective]--and their scores often depend on how drunk you got the media at a Street Fighter event."  — Mona Hamilton, Capcom Senior VP of Marketing
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congratulations now we are talking semantics. But i guess that is your only argument to begin with.

I guess they just appeal to women by chance, because there obviously was no "targetting"- targetting meaning to aim at a certain direction.

What I like about those WoW commercials is that they all feature men (shatner, troyer, Mr.T, ozzy) I guess it is just coincidence though.

PS: What you need to understand is that, for the most part, advertising will try to come close to the ratio of demographic that the product "appeals" to. In that way it is easy to estimate the demographic of a product by looking at who the ads "target". This is all scholarly written fundamentals and journal articles so I wouldn't expect anyone to know this. I am just trying to inform whoever wants to know.



theprof00 said:
congratulations now we are talking semantics. But i guess that is your only argument to begin with.

 

I know, it's frustrating how these words we use actually mean certain things. And if you use the wrong words, people think your saying stuff you don't actually mean to say.

But language is all scholarly and stuff, and so I don't expect you to know this. I'm just trying to inform you that when you use the word 'targeted' it means you're only trying to hit the specific target and not everything else around it.



"The worst part about these reviews is they are [subjective]--and their scores often depend on how drunk you got the media at a Street Fighter event."  — Mona Hamilton, Capcom Senior VP of Marketing
*Image indefinitely borrowed from BrainBoxLtd without his consent.