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madskillz on 15 March 2009
Bitmap Frogs said:
Impulsivity said:

In case EVERYTHING about the Xbox model is about the same as last time. The console still costs more to make then it sells for, the games are mainly 3rd party with no MS publishing, live is the same price with a similar number of subs and the 360 sales are even similar to the sales of the original xbox year over year other then a slight uptick in Japan sales.

The only thing that has changed is they now roll the xbox in with all kinds of other things that do, on average, make money to make the xbox look like less of an albatros to investors. Especially with warranty costs, which are a new problem for the 360 (they never had to shell out over a billion to fix faulty xboxs in the first gen) they are almost certainly still, yes, losing money on the xbox.

 

Oh boy. This is like shooting fish in a barrel =/

No, Impulsivity. Things have changed, a lot. For starters, Microsoft owns the chips inside the 360. The CPU and GPU of the first Xbox were owned by the corporations that designed them. As a result, Microsoft wasn't able to shop around for the cheapest foundry. On top of that, they had to pay royalties for the chips on every Xbox sold. 

What's changed is that Microsoft owns everything inside the 360. They shop for the cheapest foundries, they accelerate die shrinks and they do not pay royalties.

But I guess when you have an axe to grind, anything goes. Well, Microsoft is lucky keyboard and mice have sold so, so much. You know, I do wonder how much mice and keyboard you need to sell to change your results from -1 billion per quarter to +half a billion per quarter.

In the meanwhile, the ps3 is doing so, so damn good it's eating all the profits from ps2 hardware and software, all the profits from psp hardware and software and all the profits generated by psn. Heck, the ps3 losses are so big on top of eating all that profit it's making Sony's gaming division post huge losses. 

Frankly, you can hide behind the E&D division excuse for as long as you want. If that's the way you want to live, so be it. But out of both corporations, there's just one making money outta videogames.

Class, read carefully. This is what you call "putting on a clinic" because the person he responded to just got OWN3D.

OT: Can't PS3 bots just give props when props are due? Why is it so much MS's dirty tricks instead of the leading operating system maker is excelling in the world of video games?

The player hatred is STRONG wit this one.



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madskillz on 15 March 2009
Magnific0 said:
PS3 is just $400, no hassle, no RROD/E74/scratch disc failure

why add a PS2? you mean the 360 does any better with is piss-poor BC that NOBODY cares about? lol , but yeah add that $80 PS2 if you must.

There are $5-$20 very good HDMI cables, and you don't need to buy the official headset, you can easily get one as the Jabra for just $20 and it works perfectly, and its blutooth not that useless crap that comes packed with the Xbox. By the way, the 60GB 360 does NOT include HDMI so people have to buy that too, and don't tell me about component because that's crap.

3 years of LIVE really? how about an useless console and a LOT of useless games in 3 years? no warranty left, and all those games gone to hell, while there's an infinite higher chance people will still be playing their games on their same PS3, not for 3 years but for a lot more.

Dude, I had to grab my inhaler after laughing sooooooooooooooo very hard at this point.

Maybe you should consider entering the 2009 contest. It's not too late to sign up and take part.

 



Alby_da_Wolf on 15 March 2009
WereKitten said:
A little side note and a curiosity: there are instructions on how to replace the HDD on the PS3 manual, and doing so does not invalid the warranty.
I can assume that the DIY operations on the 360's HDD do invalid it?

I guess so. MS had no other reasons to do a proprietary interface than having the exclusive on HDD replacing and being able to charge more on it. You can't give your budget for HDD replacement to someone else, they consider themselves divinely entitled to it!

 



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Squilliam on 15 March 2009
WereKitten said:
A little side note and a curiosity: there are instructions on how to replace the HDD on the PS3 manual, and doing so does not invalid the warranty.
I can assume that the DIY operations on the 360's HDD do invalid it?

Nope, you can take the HDD out of the Xbox 360 enclosure just as easily as the PS3 and it doesn't involve actually opening the console itself.

 



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WereKitten on 15 March 2009

@Squilliam
Granted for the console, but I do assume that the HDD plus its enclosure won't be covered by the warranty while you pull it apart?



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Alby_da_Wolf on 15 March 2009
Squilliam said:
WereKitten said:
A little side note and a curiosity: there are instructions on how to replace the HDD on the PS3 manual, and doing so does not invalid the warranty.
I can assume that the DIY operations on the 360's HDD do invalid it?

Nope, you can take the HDD out of the Xbox 360 enclosure just as easily as the PS3 and it doesn't involve actually opening the console itself.

 

So it won't invalid the warranty if you bought the original HDD separately (it will invalid only that upgrade cartridge warranty only), but I'm not so sure if you modify a HDD cartridge included with the console.

 



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Squilliam on 15 March 2009

Yep, it won't be covered by the warranty. (Which I might add is the identical scenario with the PS3). You do however have the warranty to the HDD manufacturer.



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WereKitten on 15 March 2009

My question was a little different though: it was if replacing the HDD does invalidate the warranty on the whole add-on, because I understand it requires a bit of disassembly/assembly and some software modding.
In Sony's case there's no add-on, you just slip in the slot a new HDD and fasten its single screw. Of course Sony does not cover your new HDD, but its "enclosure" - that is the PS3 itself - doesn't have its warranty invalidated.
Not a biggie in any case, because I suppose the smallest add-on comes cheap nowadays, actually it would be more costly if you fried your new HDD during the whole replacement operation.



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Squilliam on 15 March 2009

http://www.pcworld.com/article/150970/upgrade_your_xbox_360s_hard_drive_on_the_cheap.html

Just check out the link and see for yourself.



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WereKitten on 15 March 2009

I see. The pain in the butt is that you're not free to choose your HDD, because you have to flash the firmware with the MS encoded one.
Anyway, I'd say your warranty on the enclosure is invalidated because you have to dismantle it
and your warranty on the new HDD is invalidated because you replace its firmware.



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