You've completely ignored Nintendo taking the PS1/2 casual fanbase and Sony's own mistakes. Those are the reasons why Sony are in 3rd place. Microsoft don't deserve the credit, if anyone does, it's Nintendo.
S.T.A.G.E. said:
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| The_God_of_War said: You've completely ignored Nintendo taking the PS1/2 casual fanbase and Sony's own mistakes. Those are the reasons why Sony are in 3rd place. Microsoft don't deserve the credit, if anyone does, it's Nintendo. |
MS fans are in denial about this, Nintendo stealing the victory from their beloved dancing boss' chubby hands burns on their skin like H2SO4. 
| MontanaHatchet said: 1. Sony sold their console at an even bigger loss. Companies have been doing this with consoles for quite a while now. 2. If RPGs were so significant, wouldn't they be the highest selling genre this generation? Microsoft just wanted to gain a bigger fanbase in Japan, that's it. The main fanbase of the Playstation consoles is the casual fanbase, and Nintendo snagged them, not Microsoft. 3. Sony did this too with the Playstation, and they could have done it this generation if they wanted to. If Sony wanted to buy downloadable content for 50 million dollars, they could have. They're a global corporation. That's not even that much to them. |
Allow me to finish your statements:
1...which is partially to blame for their currently horrid economic state.
2...It's not just about the games, it is the perception of the consoles ability to attract developers. I couldn't give two heated turds about FF13, but just the fact that it is coming to 360 impresses me and shows that Sony has weakened in the marketplace.
3...No, Sony absolutely can not throw money around like MS does. Given the current financial situation and given that Sony is losing BILLIONS, I would say 50 million means enough to them and their share holders to not be able to do these types of business manouvers. Sony will sink the Playstation before the Playstation sinks Sony. Have no illusions on that.
"Man is born free but is everywhere in chains" - Rousseau
FastFord58 said:
Allow me to finish your statements: 1...which is partially to blame for their currently horrid economic state. 2...It's not just about the games, it is the perception of the consoles ability to attract developers. I couldn't give two heated turds about FF13, but just the fact that it is coming to 360 impresses me and shows that Sony has weakened in the marketplace. 3...No, Sony absolutely can not throw money around like MS does. Given the current financial situation and given that Sony is losing BILLIONS, I would say 50 million means enough to them and their share holders to not be able to do these types of business manouvers. Sony will sink the Playstation before the Playstation sinks Sony. Have no illusions on that. |
Let me correct your statements.
1. Well, I guess Sony was in a "horrid" economic state when they were selling the PS1, PS2, and PSP at a loss, right?
2. So it's not about the games, but it's about attracting developers? Well, answer me this: What do developers do? In fact, I'll save you the trouble. They make games. So it's not just about the games, but getting companies that make games. Hrmm. Why do you write this again?
3. Apparently you don't understand the market. Right now, Microsoft is in dire straits as well. The economy is affecting everyone and they've even been forced to make layoffs. And yet they still pay for Xbox Live servers, developer support, game development, etc. Microsoft may be wealthy, but by your standards, $50 million would mean a lot to them as well. It's not like it's an insignificant amount of money. Rather, it's something that either company easily could have paid if they wanted to.
I'm not going to respond to the bajillion other people who quoted me because I just don't care and at this point, you're just flattering me. I know I'm amazing and controversial, but I just don't feel the same way about the rest of you.
Anyone who thinks that Sony lost because of anything other than the 600$ price point, and even now the 400$ price point, is ignoring reality.
Although I completely agree that MS took advantage of the situation, Sony left themselves completely open to subversion by a) not helping 3rd parties b) insufficient dev tools c) not paying for exclusives
However, because of Blu-ray, they also won the next-gen HD market (the competitor was the MS funded HDDVD fyi), in which they are recouping millions upon millions, so it's not entirely a loss.
PLUS, I get great games out of the deal.
Note: It is also important to note that MS has still yet to break even since the release of the original Xbox whereas Sony is now making money.
WereKitten said:
You missed most points. 1) my point was that expressing in terms of "company X did well so it deserves its sales, even though this lesser issue exists" is unfit to an economic analysis. "Deserving" is a moral term, by which we think that somebody gained merit to a reward through his/her actions. In moral terms, we even go to the length of saying that someone might have a reward that he does not "deserve", or that he did not have a reward he might "deserve". But in capitalistic economy you always get the sales that you deserve, because sales are the only measure of how good you did. That includes innovation, research, marketing, charity foundations,corruption and pointing guns at the head of clients. Moral has nothing to do with it, and we should try to not think about economy in the way we judge the actions of people. 2) Microsoft' OS and enterprise offering _is_ being threatened by alternative offers and the software as service /web applications trend. This has nothing to do with Sony... it has to do with Linux and Google. Still it means that they want to adapt to the new trends. 3) Microsoft and any technician who opened a faulty 360 _always knew_ the cause of the RROD. It's not like a long-standing misterious fault nobody was able to find. It was about the cramped design causing the board to warp and the bad soldering to come loose. It was just more economically viable to extend then guarantee to three years for RROD and replace a lot of units than to redesign completely the hardware to fix it for good. One has even to wonder if the 33% fault rate of the very first batch was not known _before_ the launch and the whole thing was just a calculated risk. Rushing to the market alot before Sony to gain mindshare against having to deal with faluty hardware six to twelve months later. Lower heat-producing components were introduced in each iteration, but I still don't see links to statistics showing the fault rate for jasper.
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I'm not talking about Karma, I'm talking about Microsoft did things right so it makes sense that they do well. If you make smart business decisions you can generally expect to do well.
And as for going into the console race with a lose, console manufactures have been doing that since back in the NES days. That is nothing new.
1) they got out first
2) they didn't make their console cost $600
3) they didn't act like arrogant freaks (at least, not at the start)
that's how MS beat Sony
Not trying to be a fanboy. Of course, it's hard when you own the best console eve... dang it
| MontanaHatchet said: 1. Sony sold their console at an even bigger loss. Companies have been doing this with consoles for quite a while now. 2. If RPGs were so significant, wouldn't they be the highest selling genre this generation? Microsoft just wanted to gain a bigger fanbase in Japan, that's it. The main fanbase of the Playstation consoles is the casual fanbase, and Nintendo snagged them, not Microsoft. 3. Sony did this too with the Playstation, and they could have done it this generation if they wanted to. If Sony wanted to buy downloadable content for 50 million dollars, they could have. They're a global corporation. That's not even that much to them. |
Agree.
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