Pristine20 said:
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Sony defeated themselves right off the bat this gen. M$ only gained from what sony did to themselves. If sony had plaaned right (launch price especially) before coming in, nothing M$ has done so far would leave the gen looking like this except they just gave the 360s away.
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So you're saying that Microsoft didn't have a good plan at all? Sony spoonfed them everything? Thats some strong loyalty you have their soldier.
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Soldier? lol. I'm simply the type of person who simply saves money to get what they want. I'm not rich by any scale imaginable. I bought a ps3 for $500 simply because I preferred it. Even at the higher price point. With the price difference now. Even a sony loyalist like myself am not too sure if I would have gone ps3. Maybe I would because of hidden 360 costs but I would never know.
M$ certainly had a good plan. However, if you ask me, this was similar to the plan last gen without the early launch. Remember that games like GTA still came to xbox just not early enough. The only "new plan" M$ really had this gen was the JRPG stimulus package for Japan which hasn't done much. If you ask me, many 3rd party parties were convinced to develop for 360 after the epic fail of the ps3 in 2007. That was worse for public perception than anything M$ ever did to sony. that was also the period where many decided to just get 360 instead of waiting to get a ps3 like they did after the 360 launched. This was also the time period where sony's last place in America was set in stone.
Yeah, sony basically spoonfed them the win because the main advantage M$ has (price) won't be a factor had sony not handed it to them on a silver platter to begin with.
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If Sony had the "JRPG Stimulus Package" fanboys would've given them all the credit in the world. MS needed to diversify and if that helped JRPG's then so be it. Microsoft is a very strongheaded coporation. They will keep trying in Japan regardless of the ignorance. Microsoft has the moto this gen of giving the Japanese what they so eagerly need despite the fact that they don't want it from us.
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Fanboys are very vocal but they're really not that many and are very irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. How many copies does your average JRPG sell again? Thats right, they're not that important. M$ probably won't have even acquired the "JRPG stimulus package" so easily had sony not already failed themselves. Even with the price difference, the ps3 is now selling close to the wii in Japan every week. Had this been the case from the start, all those niche Japanese RPGs would be on ps3 not wii and the ps3 would still fare better than the 360 in the JRPG dept. because M$ only courts the "big shots".
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Sony would've still been side by side with MS with JRPG's if they would've launched at a fair price. My reasoning for this is because MS increased the size of their library by launching early and getting more third parties (Regardless of genre) on their side. Their plan was to strip Sony of their biggest weapon which is third party devs. Sony did a good job of picking out American and European companies to make new games for them. I applaud them for that...because thats what saved them.
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I'm not too sure about that. 360 just seems to have a few of the bigger names. There are many JRPGs with zero hype on wii and others on the psp and DS. I believe that had the ps3 pulled of a ps2, most of these games would be on ps3 thus pushing it ahead of the 360 amongst the JRPG crowd
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The 360 has ok names but at the helm is still SE with the majority of the JRPG's. The PSP and DS really are JRPG central right now. The PS3 should've pulled a PS2, but they were more worried about controlling formats again (As always) than making things easy on themselves. Microsoft pulled a PS2 but fucked it up with RROD. Still...Microsoft is doing amazing in setting itself up for next gen. The PS3 mentally is still ahead of the 360 as far as the JRPG crowd are concerned. The smart JRPG fans bought a 360. The ignorant ones stayed exclusive. The Japanese I can understand though since they have nationalistic pride.
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Now another questionable thing is the quality of the JRPGs. So far, there are only two 360 JRPGs I know to mostly receive acclaim from fans: LO and ToV (note that I go by users not reviews). Check my game list for the games I still possess from last 2 gens. They're mostly JRPGs. Why haven't I bought a 360? Even I bought the xbox last gen. S-E so far this gen only seems good at making rehashes and remakes (except TWEWY). It looks like almost all their talent is lost.
I'll agree that the quality of JRPG's has dropped significantly, but SE will fix that with the FF franchise. If only for that game and versus, you'll still get your fill. As I said though, it's not about the quality of JRPG's as to why the sales are low. It's because the PS3 isn't as affordable as it could be for the Japanese and at the same time having the majority of the JRPG's. When Sony realizes how to please the Japanese section again, you'll see the sales rise from the ashes. I am not threatened at all by the loss in sales for JRPG's because I know exactly why they fell and how this can be mended.
I don't wan't to launch this argument again but M$ didn't pull off a ps2.
MS pulling a PS2
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1. Came out a year earlier than the competition.
2. Gathered 3rd party titles straight out of the gate.
3. Had the cheaper console.
4. Focused more on diversity.
5. Gunned for the GTA series first.
....theres more but this should do.
Also, I'm pretty sure that Japan is more complex than you think. Many 360 fans have this idea that if you like JRPGs and you don't have a 360, you're crazy when the truth is that most 360 jrpgs suck and better and more plentiful options can be found elsewhere. The old ps2/ps1 JRPGs, I'm still trying to get for reasonable prices even outnumber the total number of 360 jrpgs. The idea that ps3>360 mentally among the JRPG crowd exists only amongst an irrelevant group. Using a negligible minority to argue points makes your points weak.
I doubt it's as complex as you think. Of course there are many reasons and gaps to fill, but I think I have the common idea. 360 rpg's don't suck, they just have a majority that are ok or just good and a few that are exceptional. I wouldn't call Sony JRPG fanatics a negligible minority. If you look want to say that, then lets look at the correllation of low sales on JRPG's on the PS3. The most vocal ones are the ones who could afford the systems. The ones who cannot afford the PS3 in Japan, America and Europe are the voice we have yet to hear. These voices will increase the sales of the PS3 from $299, to the $199 period. The JRPG will crowd will increase before the end of the PS3 and Sony will finally realize where their bread and butter comes from in that genre.
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