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Rei on 05 March 2009
RPG said:
Rei said:

Seriously though, yet another stupid thread for stupid comments.

PS3 fanboys in

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P.S Couldnt you all just fkn start to ignore SE already? They will continue their support for 360, they said it, confirmed it, they want it. Deal with it. Find something else to play.

 

You most definitely are one of those people who cannot help but talk out your arse and start a shitstorm with your sly comments.

JRPG should go on the Wii or be HD multi-plat, clearly the 360 JRPG sales are simply not cutting it. The drop for SO4 in Japan was amazing, multi-plat would have ensured that the PS3 took care of Japan sales and 360 would have taken care of NA and EU sales.

You are most definitely one of those people who cannot think for 10 secs before posting a non-sensical message.

   jRPGs should stay on DS and PSP. How stupid are you to not understand this?

 



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papflesje on 05 March 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
papflesje said:
@ stage: is that DLC free? If not, invalid point imho.

 

800 MS points. Not much. You're looking for reasons. It's still apart of the game and if it exists you have to accept it. Otherwise you're just being ignorant. The extra storyline in ME comes in the newer platinum hits versions of the game I believe.

 

Looking for reasons? :-/

A game costs enough as it is, and if one game offers a main storyline of 30 hours, and another gives you 6 hours and then asks some more money to extend it to 30 hours in total, then it's an invalid point.  Especially since the one you were quoting was talking the game you buy in the store, not the addons.

We won't argue quality since that's obviously a personal choice, but if the basic game gives you 6 hours for a main storyline, then that's short, simple as that.



hatmoza 2.0 on 05 March 2009
Steroid said:
Gilgamesh said:

They just can't seem to get it through there thick skulls, either that or Microsoft is paying them millions upon millions of dollars to be either exclusive or released before the PS3 version.

What the hell anyway did Sony have sex with there wives or something, seems like they have a grudge over Sony, which is odd sinse Sony basically made square-enix thanks to the PS1 and PS2.

 

 You must be young or you would know Square got big with the NES and SNES then they stabbed Nintendo in the back and jumped ship to the PS1. The whole Final Fantasy on Xbox thing is ironic for this reason.

As for Mass Effect: Wow what an amazing game. But it's main story takes 4-10 hours to finish compared to 40-60 hours for your typical Final Fantasy game. Different beasts entirely.   

something about cartridges ..but who cares , the point is back then it was a smart move and had alot of advantages and it succeeded.

the Microsoft move confuzzles me

 



madkiller on 05 March 2009

I am one of the people that think FFXIII will suck, just like FFX, FFXI, FFX2, and FFXII. THe last really good game Square made was FF9 on PS1 imo and I have played nearly every game they have ever released since NES days...



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RPG on 05 March 2009

What part of my post did not make sense? Your comment was not necessary to say the very least.

Indeed JRPG should stay on handhelds and am sure SE know this know, sadly it was not known to SE this would be the case when they spent $$$ on HD JRPG which sell like shite.

No worries though, after the FF twins I see nothing else by SE coming on HD consoles. DQ X next for Wii in 2012 though but that is about it.



 

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S.T.A.G.E. on 05 March 2009
papflesje said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
papflesje said:
@ stage: is that DLC free? If not, invalid point imho.

 

800 MS points. Not much. You're looking for reasons. It's still apart of the game and if it exists you have to accept it. Otherwise you're just being ignorant. The extra storyline in ME comes in the newer platinum hits versions of the game I believe.

 

Looking for reasons? :-/

A game costs enough as it is, and if one game offers a main storyline of 30 hours, and another gives you 6 hours and then asks some more money to extend it to 30 hours in total, then it's an invalid point.  Especially since the you were quoting was talking the game you buy in the store, not the addons.

We won't argue quality since that's obviously a personal choice, but if the basic game gives you 6 hours for a main storyline, then that's short, simple as that.

 

Mass Effect costs $29.99 with the extras in it right now. Costs enough as it is? Thats a great price. Main storyline is more than 6 hours. The devs said it was 20-30 hours depending on how you play it. 40 hrs for the whole game. Now actually including the DLC thats nearly 50 hours (Whole game + DLC).

http://n4g.com/xbox360/News-24799.aspx

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157186



S.T.A.G.E. on 05 March 2009
madkiller said:
I am one of the people that think FFXIII will suck, just like FFX, FFXI, FFX2, and FFXII. THe last really good game Square made was FF9 on PS1 imo and I have played nearly every game they have ever released since NES days...

 

FFXIII looks just fine to me. Lets see how the developments go. Don't tell me you're one of those people who are suddenly turned off by the game now that it's multiplat. I'm still getting it on PS3.



patjuan32 on 05 March 2009
mrstickball said:
nordlead said:
Undying said:
Snesboy said:
Undying said:

Might as well post this.

Xbox 360
Lost Odyssey .91m
Blue Dragon .62m
The Last Remnant .58m
Infinite Undiscovery .46m
Tales of Vesperia .29m
Eternal Sonata .26m
Star Ocean: The Last Hope 0.17m (will go up drastically)
Enchanted Arms .14m
Phantasy Star Universe .10m
Spectral Force 3 .04m
Zoids Assault ~.02m
Operation Darkness .01m

PS3
Valkyria Chronicles .36m
White Knight Chronicles .33m (JP) (will go up)
Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice ~.21m
Enchanted Arms .16m
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom .12m (JRPG?)
Eternal Sonata ~ .12m
X Edge .05m (JP) (will go up)

Wii
Pokemon Battle Revolution 1.30m
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors 0.59m
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn .40m
Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World .36m
Dokapon Kingdom .08m
Rune Factory Frontier .04m
Opoona .04m
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time (JP) .04m (will go up)
Baroque ~.03m
Harulanaru Toki no Naka de 4 ~.01m (JP)

As you can see there is no better console this gen for JRPGs than the 360 unless your game is called pokemon.

Would have thought those two would have sold better.

 

On wii? Never....hell there prequels did not even do so hot on th GCN. Hardcore games don't usually break 500k on the Wii. Its a sad fact, but its true.

 

I would like to point out that both of those games you bolded are NOT tracked in Europe, and have most likely passed 500k.

To note which ones have incomplete numbers:

X360:

  • Blue Dragon (PAL data hasn't been updated in years. Did sell a bit better than what VGC states)
  • Tales of Vesperia (Hasn't launched in PAL)
  • Eternal Sonata (No PAL data)
  • SO4 (Hasn't launched in PAL)
  • Enchanted Arms (No JP or PAL data)
  • PSU (No JP or PAL data)

PS3:

  • White Knight Chronicles (Hasn't launched in NA or PAL)
  • Disgaea 3 (No PAL data. Just launched this week...With no data?)
  • Enchanted Arms (No JP or PAL data)
  • Eternal Sonata (No PAL data...Launched 2 weeks ago with no data)

Among the others. I didn't include games with sub-100k sales between all systems. At any rate, there's a lot that should be tracked, but isn't.

Undying,

 You misrepresented the facts i.e. sales. There are a number of Wii games in your list that have incomplete data. I guess mrstickball must have missed that bit of data when he was looking at the PS3 and Xbox 360 sales data. Well here it is:

These games have not been released/tracked in Europe.

Dragon Quest Swords
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World
Opoona

This game has not been released/tracked in Europe or Japan

Dokapon Kingdom

This game has not been released/tracked in Europe or North America.

Rune Factory Frontier

Next time make sure that you have all the sales figures before making a comparison between sales of a paticular game or genre. If you do not have all the sales data then state that the sales figures are incomplete. Right now your comparison is inaccurate and meaningless and weakens your argument.

 



If Nintendo is successful at the moment, it’s because they are good, and I cannot blame them for that. What we should do is try to be just as good.----Laurent Benadiba

 

Reasonable on 05 March 2009

I understand them supporting 360, with its market share in US they'd be mad not to.

What I don't understand is why they haven't stuck to pure multi-platform releases. I know MS paid for some IP and you have to imagine is bankrolling other elements, but SE as a business would be better ensuring broader sales and brand awareness IMHO.

No doubt they're banking on huge FF sales in the end, but right now they are seeing significantly smaller sales for titles that would do better multi-platform.




Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

papflesje on 05 March 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
papflesje said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
papflesje said:
@ stage: is that DLC free? If not, invalid point imho.

 

800 MS points. Not much. You're looking for reasons. It's still apart of the game and if it exists you have to accept it. Otherwise you're just being ignorant. The extra storyline in ME comes in the newer platinum hits versions of the game I believe.

 

Looking for reasons? :-/

A game costs enough as it is, and if one game offers a main storyline of 30 hours, and another gives you 6 hours and then asks some more money to extend it to 30 hours in total, then it's an invalid point.  Especially since the you were quoting was talking the game you buy in the store, not the addons.

We won't argue quality since that's obviously a personal choice, but if the basic game gives you 6 hours for a main storyline, then that's short, simple as that.

 

Mass Effect costs $29.99 with the extras in it right now. Costs enough as it is? Thats a great price. Main storyline is more than 6 hours. The devs said it was 20-30 hours depending on how you play it. 40 hrs for the whole game. Now actually including the DLC thats nearly 50 hours (Whole game + DLC).

http://n4g.com/xbox360/News-24799.aspx

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157186

I said "If" when talking about the game's length since I haven't played the game, and am using your words and the ones you quoted. 

About the price: yeah, that's how much it costs now, not at launch.  Buying at launch= 60 euros + DLC.  To get 30 hours (as you said it) only after paying an additional amount = not exactly good imho.

now it's apparently 20 - 30 - 50 hours.

All in all, an RPG offering a basic storyline of 6 to 10 hours (the premise on which I asked the question) is lacking in that department.  That's not "looking for reasons", that's just incredibly short for an RPG, no matter whether DLC extends that life.  Now that it is apparently 20 to 30 hours for the basic storyline, then I have no more questions, since that's normal for an RPG (although still on the short side for me).