First Killzone 2/Gears 2 does indeed have good graphics,no one is argueing that but the gameplay is awful IMO.

I dont have a problem with the control layout,i changed mine to ALT 2,I dislike the Sway in MP but that is a small issue,you know when you move your gun it takes 1 second to get there..

People are saying Gears 2 KZ2 is realisic,Its not realistic,If it was realistic it wouldnt take 5-6 shots to drop someone and the assault rifles arent assault rifles there more like SMG,No singleshot,the accuracy is awful,it takes alot of shots to kill someone.

Now unlike most people i used to play ArmA alot,which is indeed the most realistic shooter out there,that and OPF2,In that game you had wide open spaces,awesome weapons and realisitc vehicles,for example the Helghast APC (I think its an APC) The door is in front of the vehicle,WHY? The guys can get shot coming out,not the smartest sensef or it.

KZ2 and Gears were never actually meant to be realistic. The only game that I can think of that I would qualify as realistic is Shenmue.

No KZ2 was meant to be realistic ( as they say).

And why the hell is a dupt topic!?!

However GoW was not meant to be realistic, its very arcadey so I really don't understand your complaints here. It seems you're complaining about how its meant to be, not how it 'failed' at trying to be realistic. Not everyone buys/plays GoW so obviously its not for everyone.

realistic can mean many thing's, for example the Gun's and the armor may be realistic for what they are composed of the ideal that the steel, iron or what ever the item's are composed of could be 100% realistic, on how it would perform in condition's of that context.

for example take a Warhammer 40k space marine:

A Space Marine is a genetically-enhanced, psycho-indoctrinated,highly trained killing machine. Forget the SAS,Spetznatz and Navy SEALS; their equivalent are the Imperial Guard Storm Troopers. Space Marines are something far above and beyond conventional forces as we understand them today.

the point is even without the strength enhanceing powered armor a Space marine can punch a man's head off his shoulder without it.

is that Realistic? no but it is for that game setting.

it's pretty subjective

ermmm your wrong. sony, gg, epic and ms never said the games in question will be realistic. critics, the press and gamers done that. your topc got you owned!

as for kz2, it has realistic elements such as weight, certain physics, lighting, weight on certain objects and characters.

god knows where you read gears2 is meant to be realistic and the fact that both games are classed as SCI-FI SHOOTERS seriously questions your basics of reading and understanding.

fei-hung classifies this article as major epic fail. stick that in your sig :p

Actually Sony fanboys kept spitting "KZ2 IS REALISTIC SO GET USED TO IT" and gears is trying to be realisitc,with the gun jams and ect but it depends on how far you wanna call realistic.

Wow! This is a first I have heard of this claim....I have heard that it will be the first person shooter to rule all others by fanboys but being "realistic" is subjective. I might say it is "more realistic" than say unreal tournament 3 (arcadey super fast and unrealistic in most peoples opinions) but again it is my opinion.

Lord know's i am not trying to defend fanboy's but .

"KZ2 IS REALISTIC SO GET USED TO IT"

is a OPINION which you happen do disagree with and that's fine, but they are no more wrong than you are. both Opinion's are very valid.

i tend to look at it as ,It's Realistic in it's background and Enviroment within the Killzone universe. Same with Gear's of war, they both are Realistic in their respective universes.

now that's just my Opinion but i can see other's that will not agree with me and that's OK.

you still dont understand the basic fundamentals of reading, logic and commonsense.

FANBOYS DO NOT determin what a game is, the developers do. let me give you an example:p

if ARMA fanboys were to say arma is a flight sim, would that make arma a flight sim? would that mean fanboys know more about the game then the developers do?

sometimes admitting you are wrong is a good thing. your argument fails on so many levels, it overwhelms me.