I think this topic is so weird there won't be an end to it anyways

Love your "Top 8 story" thread btw

Where did Malstrom say that core games would come to the Wii as a part of the new generation upstreaming? He has always maintained that upmarket Wii games will not be like what we have seen so far.

They'll come over, but only after the Wii has moved upmarket so that they satisfy even the core market's demands, although not gamers looking for the best graphics or even fantastic AI. It'll likely be something like the control scheme being so good that even most traditional gamers will want to move over (Wii Motion plus or a later improvement in controls).

Personally I think even Malstrom ist so heavily involved in the videogaming business that not even he (although he tries it) can really watch the situation from a neutral standpoint. But well that topic won't ever find an end anyways

MADWORLD IS GOING TO CURE MY DIABETES.

OK, did you even read anything else from Malstrom than the quoted paragraph? You are COMPLETELY misinterpreting him. 

Even if you read the damn titles with the introductions, you should see how wrong you are:

Fools' Paradise

The Industry enters into a 'false' paradise where technology, brand names, and formula games create an artificial context. This article is filled with analyst quotes predicting PS3 to be clearly dominant, the Wii ending up way last, and Malstrom laughing at them all.

Washing the Hardcore Away
As the Wii tidal waves keep slamming into the Industry, many 'hardcore' gamers are being swept out to sea. This article goes into how the 'Hardcore' are made and why they will go extinct. It also says why it is necessary and proper for these gamers to be made *gone*. Hasta la vista, hardcore.

The New World
Watch the Old World sink and a New World rise. See the future of gaming that Nintendo is aiming and details on the paradigm shift.

The articles keep going on with silly metaphores about how the "traditional hardcore" gamers are doomed, going to die, sink, or go insane, while the New Market is the new paradise, for "social gamers". 

There is a paradigm shift, and while Nintendo is making higher tier games for their audience, they won't make traditional games for the "hardcore" audience

Old Market means: cinematic, story-orientated, violent games, that has a long learning curve, and you play them alone in a dark room. 

New market means: social, light-hearted games with short learning curves, and with more connection to real life.

The "tiers" picture that you are referring to, only shows the traditional market, (obviously, since most of the new ones doesn't exist yet), and it is not a representation of Nintendo's strategy, it is supposed to show the difference between tiers, GENERALLY!

Also, how can you say that "She just became a more dedicated player" , but not more "hardcore"?

The many definitions of "hardcore" all revolve around being a dedicated, enthusiastic gamer. 

What makes GTA IV more hardcore than The Sims 3? 

They are both sandbox games in a large, open area, with similar amount of content. What makes one of them "lower tier"? Violence? LOL

Again, I always wrote "hardcore" because I was too lazy to use another explanation. A lower tier? I never used that word. I think you completely misunderstood what I was trying to say You think I'm some kind of hardcore gamer who thinks he's better than his own girlfriend, don't you?

I'm also talking about another article, not the ones you listed there. I just think Malstrom has an interesting concept but I dissagree with him on certain aspects.

Oh and I've read a hell of a lot of things from Sean, not only on his website.

Edit: I doubt cinematic and story driven games will dissappear. They appeal not only to a certain type of gamer but to a certain type of people and those people will always be interested in those games. IF those games dissappear they will because the market doesn't cater to them anymore. In my opinion, that is

Quoting stops here.

I don't have any opinion about your personality, I just pointed out that your "Malstrom interpretation" (LOL, Demotruk was right about the religious debate thing) makes no sense at all.

Simplified version:

Malstrom says: the current high tier/traditional/hardcore/cinematic games will disappear or become a niche, and Social/New Market will take over the gaming industry. The so called "casual games" are the first, lower tier games for the new market, and higher tiers of social/new market games will follow.

You say: Malstrom is wrong because he believes that social/New Market/casual gamers will give up their values and start playing with traditional/hardcore/cinematic games, but it didn't happen. 

The cinematic games will disappear because of their skyrocketing production costs, that doesn't result in extra consumers. 

They might stay a small niche, but now that that there is a more profitable New Market, they won't stay in the focus of the industry.

Just like  2D platformers, that were once the leading genre, and surely there are people who still want them, but they are not relevant anymore. 

BTW Did you read His Theory of Cycles article?

Ah I think you're taking my words too serious but first: The difference between Malstrom and me is that I think "cinematic" games as we know them today might become a niche but basically those games cater to a specific audience, the competitive gamer if you want. And competitive thinking has always been important especially to male teenagers, so I doubt that games catering to this audience will dissappear. In the past genres that catered to this audience have been big and are now niche but we have other types of games that appeal to the same type of people now. Basically put I just doubt those new types of games will get "higher tier sequels". Or well, they will, but they will appeal to a different kind of person so we are not talking about swimming upstream in a technical sense. (Simply put the new gamers won't move upstream in my opinion) Sorry if I didn't make any sense but I wrote my comments around midnight and was just having some fun

Oh and about your religious discussion comment: Rol and I were actually making fun of the use of words like "hardcore" and how confusing it is to talk about that topic. But you're probably too new to this site to know that hehe My original point was just that I think Malstrom terms are over-used hehe Then Rol came in and said I didn't know what hardcore means so we started confusing each other with the over-use of words like hardcore and upstream and then I realised that I have two great examples for the social gamer and the competitive gamer and wanted to tell him. I actually like Sean a lot, I've had great email discussions with him in the past, although I never answered his last email because I was too lazy hehe