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KLucifer said:
volcatius said:
Never.
BR will be a short-lived format.

Although i absolutely do not like the idea, the future is download.

 

blu-ray will be standard in time....apr 2008 BD sale percentage compared to that of dvd were at 5% area...if you look at the last 3 months...not so much anymore...BD having up to 17% market share against dvd as we saw on last week of jan of 2009

http://www.blu-raystats.com/MarketShare/index.php

 

damn it i couldn't find that article about downloadable/streaming data market share...well anyways...if i remember correctly it's only 0.6% of the market share....it's not a big thing yet...and there are people out there who want the physical format...it just has more value to them having the physical form...physical formats will probably stick around for a while.....especially with that kinda of market share....

I see these stats thrown around quite often but you should note they are hugely flawed.  They only take into the top 20 releases of each format.  It totally ignores the huge catalog market on DVD vs BD.  If those numbers were included they would make Blurays marketshare look significantly worse than it already is.  Go to walmart and see the $4-5 bins of DVD movies.  Those stats are completely ignoring that market segment.

 



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Asmo said:
volcatius said:
Never.
BR will be a short-lived format.

Although i absolutely do not like the idea, the future is download.

 

Well, have fun downloading your 30 GB games.

 

You realize that many companies are rolling out 50mbit and faster connections to the majority of their customers in 2009, don't you?  I guess you'd be downloading your 30GB game for nearly an hour (less time than going to the store and picking it up, though).

I also don't think BD will ever become "standard".   There isn't enough gap between BD and DVD.  Developers are moving toward game downloads, and it took forever to go from CD games to DVD games when DVD was clearly more desirable than BD.



Also, for those of you talking about stats, here are some for you from Neilson:

Note: this is in percent of revenue, not units sold:

02/15/09 6.57 %
02/08/09 7.18 %
02/01/09 8.17 %

So DVD still has the vast, vast majority of the market. Probably less than 1 out of ever 20 discs sold is a BD disc, if you consider that the above is for revenues and BDs often cost $25-$35 instead of $6-$19 for DVDs.

Don't get me wrong -- the BD fanboys are totally excited about these numbers. They're not good, and they're likely less than download revenues. But don't stop them from being excited about it.



BengaBenga said:
That depends on the purpose:

For PC's: Not necessary. Who needs 50GB+ disc media when Flash/SD/drives cards are rapidly surpassing/already passed BluRay in all aspects: storage, price and read spead.

For films: That really depends. The latest marketshare figures aren't very hopefull for BluRay. In Holland it was 2.75% revenue and 1.1% units sales of films over 2008. With the economic crisis I think it's over with BluRay.

For gaming: Very big chance imo. Next generation games will easily surpass the capacity of DVD. PS3 proves that it's a good game media. If the reading speeds increase it's basically ideal, since it's proven technology that's fit for purpose.

 

BR will eventually be cheaper $$/Gb than flash/ssd.





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Impulsivity said:
I was at Frys buying computer components last week.

Sony Blu Ray Drive, 70 dollars
Cheap ass Chinese DVD drive (cheapest they had there) 40 dollars

So yah A) I got the Blu Ray Drive and B) I don't think the switch will take as long as some people think (and yes it will happen).

 

 

Not quite sure I believe those figures you're stating.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=40000598&Description=blu%20ray%20drive&name=Blu-Ray%20Drives

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=40000055&Description=dvd%20drive&name=CD%20%2f%20DVD%20Drives

$100 vs $18 price difference.

Anyways, Blu-ray will not be a standard for several more years at best. Even if it does become relative standard, all the things you get on PC will always be in DVD for at least several more years afterward.

There's a difference between being "standard in new computers" and being "standard for all computers currently being used".  No company is going to want to cut out any sales by putting it in a format their customers may not be able to use. Not only that but since all PC games basically install onto hard drive, there's really no need to install from 1 blu-ray vs multiple DVD's.



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@ darconi, it is far more convenient to just have 1 disc of course, but it is not a huge factor

I think it will be a few years. Sony do have BDs in almost all of their computers now, and think it will catch on slowly as prices come down. I fully believe in 5 years time all computers will still have disc drives, I don't think there is a major danger of physical media dying entirely, as there are still many uses. For games, it might be a few years before we see blu-ray PC games, some relatively recent PC games come on CD, so the transition won't be quick, but I know the next game that I am buying, Empire Total War, consumes 15GB, so it would far easier if that was on blu-ray



theshrike said:
So here is the reason why Blu-Ray will always have a place as far as a storage medium; Not everyone lives in a city. I don't know how many people of you have lived outside a city but your internet options are fairly horrible. You have 56k which would take somewhere around a few years to download 30 gigs (no real numbers used, I don't feel like calculating it). Your other option is satellite which is also really really bad. You can get reasonable transfer rates but you have a ridiculous cap at somewhere around 10 Gigs a months. There is going to have to be a lot that has to change in order to get them up to speed. There can't be a standard of direct download when its not possible for 40% of the population

Mobile broadband may be a very good way for people in remote places to get broadband. LTE and LTE-Advanced will give very fast speeds and they're not too far away.

 



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Munkeh111 said:
@ darconi, it is far more convenient to just have 1 disc of course, but it is not a huge factor

I think it will be a few years. Sony do have BDs in almost all of their computers now, and think it will catch on slowly as prices come down. I fully believe in 5 years time all computers will still have disc drives, I don't think there is a major danger of physical media dying entirely, as there are still many uses. For games, it might be a few years before we see blu-ray PC games, some relatively recent PC games come on CD, so the transition won't be quick, but I know the next game that I am buying, Empire Total War, consumes 15GB, so it would far easier if that was on blu-ray

 

I agree its more convenient to have on one disc but I'm betting that the publisher will look at the option of either making it a little more convenient for people who already bought the game or try to hit as broad a install base as possible and choose the obvious.



Blu Ray adoption, especially on PCs, will have a lot more to do with Sony Marketing than it will with consumers wanting it. At least, that's the near future.

Look at BD languishing with less than 10% after these years. Now the first 10 or even 20% of the market is technically strong, and they know the advantages of BD over DVD. They're also the most wealthy segment of the market.

Getting more of the market after that will be harder and harder. How will Sony get it? Here's how:

Once almost all computers are bundled with BD drives and once they're marketed as "this has high definition BD drive" in it. People want cheap computers, but they also want stuff that says, "high definition" even if they don't really understand it because they don't want their stuff to be obsolete. Once every netbook has a BD drive, Sony will get wide adoption on the PC.

As far as wide adoption in the living room goes: Sony simply needs to drop the price of BD to be competitive with DVD. Until BD competes with DVD on price -- I'm talking about buying discs for $9 a few months after release -- then DVD will continue to crush BD in market share.

Even when measured by revenue.



goddog said:
Bokal said:
I'd say as soon as it become affordable. Why wouldn't you want a bluray drive? It's backward compatible with DVDs and CDs and you can play bluray movies...

Would be stupid not to have one if it's affordable.

Sony (of course) started to put it in it's computers already, so does Dell (for 200€ now...), so will Apple (from what I've heard).

I think it will soon become the standard, or at least widely available.

Not from apple anytime soon

Steve has said its a no go unless blue ray spec settles down (which it has not) and sales boost majorly (which they have not. only new releases are seeing even 2X% sales figures)... also dont forget apple sits on the blueray board and they said this

from a CNN interview

"I asked Jobs whether this meant the format war between Blu-ray and HD-DVD was over, with Apple the big winner. Clearly, he said, Blu-ray won, but in the new world order of instant online movie rentals, in HD, no one will care about what format is where.  Funny how fast tech can move."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/22673034

 

from steve at a keynote

"Blu-ray is just a bag of hurt. It's great to watch the movies, but the licensing of the tech is so complex, we're waiting till things settle down and Blu-ray takes off in the marketplace." Phil chimed in with "We have the best HD movie and TV options in iTunes." Damn. As if that weren't enough to make Mac-lovin' home theater junkies cringe, Steve also commented (when asked about the dearth of HDMI in his introductions) that HDMI was "limited in resolution," and Philip Schiller elaborated by saying that "for typical computer use, DisplayPort is the connector of the future."

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/14/steve-jobs-calls-blu-ray-a-bag-of-hurt/

 

He said that because Bluray movies compete with iTunes. I could bet it was a move to convince movie studios to sell their movies on iTunes instead of Bluray, and to convince share holders that selling movies on iTunes was a good idea.
The best part being "the licencing of the tech is so complex"... Dell, HP, and other did it... so... must not be SOOOOO complex after all...
I can't even imagine Apple, the company that always come with high quality and bleeding edge hardware, not taking the bluray bandwagon.



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