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Yes, I will take the chance that some of those people are horrible and deserved to be contained and were instead set free over the idea that innocent people are being unfairly detained without due process given.

Sorry, I'm a sucker for the Constitution. Not only its words, but its ideals. Gitmo is wrong. I'm not so naive to believe that those kinds of things don't happen every day but to see a public representation of it is completely unacceptable.

You may be willing to sacrifice the freedoms of others but I'm not so eager to do the same for fear that someday, that ugly eye may be turned on me or my descendants.




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"Where the almost 250 detainees now in Guantanamo will be moved to has not been determined."

I suggest a mass grave.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:
"Where the almost 250 detainees now in Guantanamo will be moved to has not been determined."

I suggest a mass grave.

A great idea!  They would thank us for making them "Holy martyrs to Allah!"  Good riddance.

 



halogamer1989 said:
Tyrannical said:
"Where the almost 250 detainees now in Guantanamo will be moved to has not been determined."

I suggest a mass grave.

A great idea!  They would thank us for making them "Holy martyrs to Allah!"  Good riddance.

 

You guys are the people that make people hate America.

 



halogamer1989 said:
Tyrannical said:
"Where the almost 250 detainees now in Guantanamo will be moved to has not been determined."

I suggest a mass grave.

A great idea!  They would thank us for making them "Holy martyrs to Allah!"  Good riddance.

 

Weren't you two just accusing people of naivety which allowed Hitler into power. And now you want a mass killing of innocent people. 

People like you two are the reason why most people hate the US. And you wonder why people want to blow your country up...

 



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tombi123 said:
halogamer1989 said:
Tyrannical said:
"Where the almost 250 detainees now in Guantanamo will be moved to has not been determined."

I suggest a mass grave.

A great idea!  They would thank us for making them "Holy martyrs to Allah!"  Good riddance.

 

Weren't you two just accusing people of naivety which allowed Hitler into power. And now you want a mass killing of innocent people. 

People like you two are the reason why most people hate the US. And you wonder why people want to blow your country up...

 

 

Regarding Hitler, Europe's naivety led to inaction. If Europe took action, WWII could have been avoided.

I know the only safe thing to do with the Guantanamo illegal combatants is to execute them. Now, certain naive people would release them,  and they would just continue their terrorist ways.

Look at what happened to Bill Clinton. He refused Saudi Arabia's offer to turn Osama Bin Laden over to the US. That little mistake of his came back to bite us in 2001.

Geneal Pershing crushed the islamic uprising in the Phillipines. He executed the millitants and burried their corpses with pig guts. Dead and no 72 virgins, that got their attention. Except for one, he was wrapped in a pig carcass to deliver the message.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

rocketpig said:

Yes, I will take the chance that some of those people are horrible and deserved to be contained and were instead set free over the idea that innocent people are being unfairly detained without due process given.

Sorry, I'm a sucker for the Constitution. Not only its words, but its ideals. Gitmo is wrong. I'm not so naive to believe that those kinds of things don't happen every day but to see a public representation of it is completely unacceptable.

You may be willing to sacrifice the freedoms of others but I'm not so eager to do the same for fear that someday, that ugly eye may be turned on me or my descendants.

I would too.  At the same time whether or not it was breaking international law is a different question all together.



Tyrannical said:
tombi123 said:
halogamer1989 said:
Tyrannical said:
"Where the almost 250 detainees now in Guantanamo will be moved to has not been determined."

I suggest a mass grave.

A great idea!  They would thank us for making them "Holy martyrs to Allah!"  Good riddance.

 

Weren't you two just accusing people of naivety which allowed Hitler into power. And now you want a mass killing of innocent people. 

People like you two are the reason why most people hate the US. And you wonder why people want to blow your country up...

 

 

Regarding Hitler, Europe's naivety led to inaction. If Europe took action, WWII could have been avoided.

I know the only safe thing to do with the Guantanamo illegal combatants is to execute them. Now, certain naive people would release them,  and they would just continue their terrorist ways.

Look at what happened to Bill Clinton. He refused Saudi Arabia's offer to turn Osama Bin Laden over to the US. That little mistake of his came back to bite us in 2001.

Geneal Pershing crushed the islamic uprising in the Phillipines. He executed the millitants and burried their corpses with pig guts. Dead and no 72 virgins, that got their attention. Except for one, he was wrapped in a pig carcass to deliver the message.

So executing these prisoners isn't going to fuck the entire Islamic world off and lead to even more Islamic attacks on the United States in vengeance?

You would execute less than a hundred terrorists and create many thousands.

You would also fuck off the entire west lose all credibility on human rights and cause renewed violence in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Luckily you have a government which is nowhere near as foolish as you.

 



Rath said:

So executing these prisoners isn't going to fuck the entire Islamic world off and lead to even more Islamic attacks on the United States in vengeance?

You would execute less than a hundred terrorists and create many thousands.

You would also fuck off the entire west lose all credibility on human rights and cause renewed violence in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Luckily you have a government which is nowhere near as foolish as you.

 

 I understand why you think that way. But what you don't understand is that Islamic millitants don't think like you and I. What we consider justice or mercy they consider a sign of weakness and an invitation for more attacks. Their goal is to start a war. That is what the terrorists want and that is why you can't negotiate a peaceful settlement with them. They DO NOT want peace. A united pan-Arabian super power ruled by fundementalist Islamics bent on spreading Islam through war is what they want. Much like Hitler used the Jews as a scape goat as a rallying point, the terrorists are using Israel and western culture for the same purpose.

The only way to deal with the terrorists is to mercilessy stomp them out. Anything else is a sign of weakness and invites more attacks becuase they do not think like we do. Europe and the liberals in general have gotten so wrapped up in the absoloutism of human rights that they are unable to deal with the problem. What we consider sacred human rights they find as a laughable source of weakness they are willing to exploit. That's why they have no problem using depressed suicidal teens as suicide bombers. What we consider horrifying they consider a great tactic.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire