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@Bod: White Knight Story is Level 5, not Square Enix.

@Onna: Yeah, there are Sony diehards but I'm sure there are fewer of them than there are Nintendo diehards, since Nintendo had about a decade longer to make them, not to mention their handheld endeavors. For the most part, Nintendo diehards have a reason to be Nintendo diehards: forNintendo's titles which still sell millions after all these years. Sony on the other hand owes all of its success to third parties, and that's why people are still waving titles around like FFXIII. Take away the Metal Gears and the Final Fantasies and I'm not sure what Sony would have left. Not to mention that for diehard fans, supporting Nintendo was easier (and cheaper) than Sony.



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*~Onna76~* said:

@ClaudLv250: You've got a point there. But tell that to the die hard Playstation fans, who won't give up Playstation that easily, like Nintendo fans didn't during the N64 / GC cycle.

Gamers have the entire change in gaming to thank for, they make sure people with a PS3 are waiting for games, as games are going multi platform (DMC 4) or becoming timed exclusive for another console at first (Ace Combat 6). All because developers find the console too expensive for buyers, comparing to a WII, too expensive to develop, comparing to a WII, and therefore all of the sudden less approachable, comparing to the WII. Therefore, no wonder why die hard PS fans curse the WII, as the WII made the entire change in gaming.

Personally as multi platform gamer, have to get used to the entire changes, as games are switching, developers adapt their future plans and that kind of confusing me. I'm a RPG / Adventure fan, and got an entire collection of those kind of games on the PS2, including 2 Kingdom Hearts games. Therefore I can't really get myself used to the idea of a WII release, even though I own a WII and I think there are more people out there who might feel the same way about that.

@PersianPrince35, FFIII (DS), FFIV (DS), FFCC Bearers (WII), FFVII Crisis Core (PSP), DQS (WII), Heroes of Mana (DS), DQIX (DS), DQ Monsters Joker (DS),... etc.etc.

@Bodhesatva: White Knight Story is a Sony Computer Entertainment published game (created by Level 5), not a Square Enix ;)


Conversely, Onna, there are also most likely many people who never tried Kingdom Hearts on the PS2 and would be willing to do so on the Wii. Put simply, your point is this:

1) Kingdom Hearts will lose some fans it had during the PS2 days if it moves to the Wii.

I agree with this, however:

2) Kingdom Hearts will win some new fans it did not have during the PS2 days if it moves to the Wii.

Personally, I wouldn't be able to say which will be a more frequent phenomenon, but I think both are true to an extent. Clearly switching platforms can be a profitable decision for a series, as Metal Gear (NES to PS1), Final Fantasy (SNES to PS1), Dragon Quest (SNES to PS1/2 to DS) and many other games show.

 

Edit: Thank you Claude and Onna for the correction.  



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@Claude: Yep I corrected Bodhesatva as well on that *LOL*.

Sony received / are receiving a few new exlusive titles:

-Resistance Fall of Man (Imnsoniac / 1st party)
-Heavenly Sword (Ninja Theory not sure 1st party?)
-White Knight Story (Level 5 / 3rd party?)
-Ratchet & Clank (Imnsoniac / 1st party)
-Folks Soul aka Folklore (Game Republic / 1st party?)

@Bodhesatva: you can say about every single exclusive game hitting other consoles fans will be left behind and it will receive new ones, that's nothing but a common change. It only depends how big the fanbase will become on the WII comparing to it was on the PS2 and of how many PS fans are willing to buy even a WII for it.



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Actually, if I wanted to get nitpicky, Project Sylpheed shouldn't be on that list since it's not developed by SE. It was only published by them (and only in Japan at that, the US version was by Microsoft) and it was developed by GameArts, who they have no actual ties to outside of some publishing contract that must have started with Grandia III. They had no influence whatsoever over that game.

 @Onna: Insomniac is 2nd party, Level 5 is most definitely 3rd party but I'm sure Sony owns the White Knight Story license, and Ninja Theory I'm pretty sure is 3rd party since Heavenly Sword was originally in the works for Xbox, though I may be wrong about their current status.

 



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*~Onna76~* said:
Eh Soriku, may I ask you something, did you even "ever" played Kingdom Hearts? Perhaps the COM game on the GBA. Or else... why do you want it so much on the WII, while you have never played any of the PS2 games? This also means to all the Nintendo "only" fans out there. Assuming you never have owned a PS2. So... don't be surprised when Playstation fans just don't wish to see one of the most precious franchises on the Playstation console hitting a Nintendo console (or handheld). Same thing happened with DQIX. Though my opinion is that the step to a DS is not as radical than to a WII, as a DS is far more approachable. Plus Dragon Quest has been on Nintendo consoles / handhelds in the past, but Kingdom Hearts, never.... apart from the spin off game.

A lot of PS2 owners simply don't own a WII and are not even planning to buy one, but are waiting to purchase a PS3. Among them are also Kingdom Hearts fans. I don't think once Kingdom Hearts will hit the WII, it will make these people cross over to the WII instead of to the PS3.

Well a lot of PS2 fans simply don't want a PS3 and either own a Wii or will buy one. So your argument is completely invalid.

 



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*~Onna76~* said:

@Claude: Yep I corrected Bodhesatva as well on that *LOL*.

Sony received / are receiving a few new exlusive titles:

-Resistance Fall of Man (Imnsoniac / 1st party)
-Heavenly Sword (Ninja Theory not sure 1st party?)
-White Knight Story (Level 5 / 3rd party?)
-Ratchet & Clank (Imnsoniac / 1st party)
-Folks Soul aka Folklore (Game Republic / 1st party?)

@Bodhesatva: you can say about every single exclusive game hitting other consoles fans will be left behind and it will receive new ones, that's nothing but a common change. It only depends how big the fanbase will become on the WII comparing to it was on the PS2 and of how many PS fans are willing to buy even a WII for it.


I agree, that's always true -- but you hadn't mentioned it. The only thing you mentioned is that Kingdom Hearts could lose fans if it switched consoles. All I did was mention that it could gain new ones, too. Definitely obvious, but needed to be stated. 

Insomniac is not first party, nor is Ninja Theory, nor is Game Republic. All of the games you've listed are being produced by Sony but developed by the companies you've mentioned; that makes them second party. Second party isn't really an official term, so you could call them ALL first party, if you'd like, but White Knight Story is definitely not third party.

Other games that actually are third party are Gradius 6, L.A. Noire, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Tekken 6. 



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ClaudeLv250 said:

Actually, if I wanted to get nitpicky, Project Sylpheed shouldn't be on that list since it's not developed by SE. It was only published by them (and only in Japan at that, the US version was by Microsoft) and it was developed by GameArts, who they have no actual ties to outside of some publishing contract that must have started with Grandia III. They had no influence whatsoever over that game.

@Onna: Insomniac is 2nd party, Level 5 is most definitely 3rd party but I'm sure Sony owns the White Knight Story license, and Ninja Theory I'm pretty sure is 3rd party since Heavenly Sword was originally in the works for Xbox, though I may be wrong about their current status.

 


The definition of a second party game is one developed by an outside team but published by the system's producer. All of these games are second party. 



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omgwtfbbq said:

Well a lot of PS2 fans simply don't want a PS3 and either own a Wii or will buy one. So your argument is completely invalid.

 

Why, you've actually checked every single household in the world to see if PS2 owners have a WII or heard from the people they're planning to buy one?
Check Playstation forums and then you'll find a whole bunch of gamers who don't want a WII and are waiting for the PS3 to drop in price and have a better choice in games. Nintendo fans are not the only ones who rather stick with their own brand.
@Bodhesatva: what I always meant to say is yes sure it will get new fans, but will it be the same? I've never "actually" said Kingdom Hearts will only loose fans, so that's nonsense! All before we know it the sales of Kingdom Hearts, comparing to sales on the PS2 is a flop on the WII.


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*~Onna76~* said:
omgwtfbbq said:

Well a lot of PS2 fans simply don't want a PS3 and either own a Wii or will buy one. So your argument is completely invalid.

 

Why, you've actually checked every single household in the world to see if PS2 owners have a WII or heard from the people they're planning to buy one?
Check Playstation forums and then you'll find a whole bunch of gamers who don't want a WII and are waiting for the PS3 to drop in price and have a better choice in games. Nintendo fans are not the only ones who rather stick with their own brand.
@Bodhesatva: what I always meant to say is yes sure it will get new fans, but will it be the same? I've never "actually" said Kingdom Hearts will only loose fans, so that's nonsense! All before we know it the sales of Kingdom Hearts, comparing to sales on the PS2 is a flop on the WII.

I never said you did say that. I said you omitted the fact that it will gain new fans while only stating that it will lose some. I am not accusing you of anything, I'm not arguing with you, I'm only pointing this out. Kingdom Hearts will gain a lot of new fans if it moves to the Wii. It sounds like we agree on that, and that needed to be said.

For example, if I had said: "Tons of new fans will flock to Kingdom Hearts if its put on the Wii. It will add a lot of new people to the franchise," that's probably a fair statement, but wouldn't it be worth noting that it will also lose lots of fans, too? It would be worth noting that, and that's precisely what I did, only in reverse. Again, I really don't know if it's likely to lose more old fans or gain more new ones, but it would see a lot of both. I personally don't care at all, because I absolutely loathe single player RPGs.



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"The only thing you mentioned is that Kingdom Hearts could lose fans if it switched consoles".

With this comment it felt like the words were put right into my mouth, like that was all I was saying, while I started out to question about how the game will approach on the WII.

I don't see this as an argument at all, so don't worry ;)



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