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--OkeyDokey-- said:
megaman79 said:
theRepublic said:
IGN 8 out of 10
1UP B-
Nintendo Power 7 out of 10
Gameplayer 9 out of 10
Ngamer UK 80 out of 100
G4 TV/X-Play 2 out of 5

Anyone see the one that doesn't belong?

 

1up user reviews rated T4 an A too.

 

Its bullshit, alot of games on MC if you scroll down you will see G4TV's rating either as the worst review or nearly the worst for alot of games.

Games like RRRTVP actualy scored well but thats a rare example. Its funny how they can forgive Mirrors Edge and give it an 80, but Mushroom men and T4 get screwed.

I say petition MC to remove G4 from the site due to biased reviews.

http://g4tv.com/xplay/reviews/index.html

SMG - 5/5
SSBB - 5/5
No More Heroes - 5/5
Boom Blox - 5/5
Twilight Princess - 5/5
Okami - 5/5
Prime 3 - 4/5
Wii Fit - 4/5
Mario Kart - 4/5
WarioWare - 4/5
Animal Crossing - 4/5
Big Brain Academy - 4/5
Paper Mario 4/5
Zack and Wiki - 4/5
Endless Ocean - 4/5
WarioLand - 4/5

Do I need to keep going?

The problem is not historic -- it is recent.

If you look at the cumulative scores on Metacritic, Xplay rates games for all three consoles lower than the average, with similar deviation patterns.

However, recently, as in since the new daily format was put into place, there has been an increasing bias against the Wii (and for the Xbox 360).

My favorite incidents: The day after the No More Heroes Sequel was announced -- and pretty much confirmed coming to the Wii -- the hosts talked about its announcements, said console was unknown, and talked about how the game didn't fit on the Wii. Or right after reviewing (and rightfully trashing) the PS3/Xbox 360 version of Shaun White, running a piece on Wii Balance Board games they'd like to see (humor attempt) because there were no games coming out for it -- without ever reviewing the Wii version of Shaun White.

So, given the logarithmic scoring system Xplay uses, if they had said Rygar was 2 stars and Tenchu 3 stars, I would not have had much of a problem. For them, 2 stars was supposed to be medicore -- and that is what it seems Rygar is. For them, 3 stars is a meh -- and if anything the other scores show Tenchu to be at least that, if not pretty good. (1 star used to be unplayable or pure drek.

I stopped watching Xplay at the beginning of the year. I could not take it anymore. Too many things that I did not care about and too much seemingly biased information on that I did care about. 

Mike from Morgantown

 



      


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rajendra82 said:
Grampy said:
rajendra82 said:
Grampy said:

I decided to take a look at X-Play Scores versus the MetaCritic Average. I took their list of Latest Games. Out of the 35 games listed, X-Play reviewed 9. The table lists the MetaCritic Score, the IGN score, the X-Play Score, the difference between X-Play and MetaCritic and whether or not X-Play gave the lowest score of all reviews.

 

MetaCritic

IGN

X-Play

Xp/Meta

Lowest

Mushroom Men

73

79

40

-33

yes

Rygar:BA

54

61

20

-34

yes

Tenchu:SA

74

80

40

-34

yes

RRRabbids:TP

73

70

80

+7

-

Castlevania J

47

75

20

-27

-1

Skate It

71

85

80

+8

-

Anim. Cross:CF

73

75

80

+7

-

TalesSymph:DNW

69

67

40

-29

yes

Average

67

74

50

-17

 

The result wasn't quite what I expected which was a constant bias. Not true, but instead something I  consider even worse. X-Play seems to treat Wii games in one of two ways. If they like it they give a very reasonable, even slightly generous score. If they don't like a game they stick it with an absurdly low score, about 30 points off average and with a single exception, the lowest score of all reviewers. In that single exception they were next to the lowest.

I think this is a deliberate effort to completely trash the MetaCritic average on any game they dislike. That really sucks. When I was a kid we called this torpedoing and even then we knew it was a lousy unfair thing to do.

THIS IS WORSE THAN BIAS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FACTOR IN A CONSTANT ADJUSTMENT, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER THEY ARE ACTUALLY REVIEWING THE GAME OR JUST PLAIN F**KING IT OVER. 

I wonder if they do this to PS360 games as well. I leave that for someone else.

UPDATE: OK, I couldn't stand so I took a quick look at PS3 and XBox 360 for signs of the same pattern. Looking at all low scoring games (yellow or red), X-Play reviews were consistent or slightly higher than MetaCritic. Apparently this SCREW JOB is reserved exclusively for the Wii. Way to go X-Play.

I understand why X-Play scores games the way they do.  The HD games are sometimes good looking and sometimes not, so they get noticed for that, and then you find out other things about them, like gameplay.  The Wii games are generally plain looking, so the only thing to note are gameplay issues.  Therefore X-play tends to break out the Wii games into two seprate camps, good games (4 and 5stars) and bad games (1 or 2 stars) based on what they think of the gameplay.  Whereas with HD games you can potentially have four camps, good looking and good gamplay (5 stars) , good looking and bad gameplay (2 to 4 stars) , bad looking but good gameplay (2 to 4 stars), and bad looking and bad gameplay (1 star).  Naturally the HD games fall more on a spectrum, whereas Wii games are either in the love it or hate it categories.  X-Play review format being limited to a couple minutes on TV exaggerates the issues they notice and makes the scores vary more wildly than they would in a print or web format.

Why would the same criteria not apply to IGN? Or at least some other reviewer. If you really believe that being the absolute lowest score out of all the reviewers 5 out of 9 games and usually by a grotesque margin constitutes some rational system of judging ... well fine. What can I say, somewhere someone will believe almost anything. There are people that actually believe that George Bush will go down in history as a great president.

Here is a graph comparing the data in the post.  As you can see when the game is not good both IGN's and X-Play's rating go down,and when it's good both go up, but IGN's don't go way up and down like X-Play's do.  Both sites show a trend and a logic to scoring games.  It's just different way of scoring between IGN and X-Play.  I don't see it as an intentional bias, but as an inherent result of the two very different systems of scoring.

 

Plot X-Play's review scores for XBox360 and PS3 in comparison and tell me there is no bias.

 



Grampy said:

Plot X-Play's review scores for XBox360 and PS3 in comparison and tell me there is no bias.

What would it take for X-Play not to be biased?  The same average review score for all consoles?

That would make no sense as the same games aren't being released for all consoles.



I wanted to take another look at XPlay Wii reviews instead of just the latest 9, so I went ahead and compiled a chart of all of their Wii reviews to date against Metacritic average.  Here is the results:

 

Pretty clearly a logical system as far as I can see.  They don't keep their scores between 40 and 100 as most others do but tend to give the bad games 20.  May be different, but certainly not biased.



d21lewis said:
I was actually interested in Tenchu, but the negatives that X-Play highlighted are actually game breaking in my opinion. I hate to say it, but the review seems justified. They didn't even mention some of the negatives that other review sites mentioned (and I was concerned about).

 

There's a reason Xplay didn't mention the negatives brought up by other sites.They obviously didn't spend a lot of time with the game before casting it aside. You can easily forgive something like digital controls because they aren't that bad for the game once you are experienced after a couple hours. After playing the game for many hours now, that review was garbage. If they want to give a bad score, fine, but it should be justified!!! I think a high majority of people that play the game will be able to tell that the video footage they used for the review is cut together in a way to make it look like a poorly designed game.

 The video in the review there shows someone almost deliberately playing bad.

The game review is based on easy difficulty, if they say you will go back to the beginning that much(you are only allowed getting caught once per section on higher difficulties). Some of the footage looks like it cuts out earlier than it should to try and claim the stealth mechanics are bad. They claim the AI is idiotic but then they also complain about having to vanish away and restart so much?

Another thing is they say that the Tenchu series has continued to impress them with every release, when the general consensus has been that the series was declining.



What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?

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Words Of Wisdom said:
Grampy said:

Plot X-Play's review scores for XBox360 and PS3 in comparison and tell me there is no bias.

What would it take for X-Play not to be biased?  The same average review score for all consoles?

That would make no sense as the same games aren't being released for all consoles.

It'd take too long to compile that grapth, maybe later today.  X-Play reviewed Tenchu Z for XBox360 and gave it 2 stars, which is the same score as the Wii Tenchu game.  Does that show you that it is possible they are not systemically biased against the Wii.



After spend about 2-3 hrs play on few stages ,I could say this is a good game and worth to play.

- AI isn't much different from any other stealth games.(Not as good as MGS4 did ,but not bad too.)
- Graphic is good ,and environment in this game also well done.
- Music in this game is good ,but a sound when you swimming in the water's a bit too loud which quite annoying.And some voice from enemies is using too much.)
- Gameplay is great ,i can feel pressure and challenge in this game.It's uneasy to finish each mission but you'll felt very good when you did it.
- Control is not bad ,you just gotta take time to get use to it.(It take 2 mission for me to do so.)

Overall : There're some little flaw in this game.(Like annoying sound while swimming.)But these flaw are acceptable and i feel really enjoy while playing this game.

I'll give 8.1 for this game.But i play JP version so i don't understand the story at all ,this score come from visual and gameplay only.I maybe give higher score if i understand story and what those bad ass samurais yelling about. :)



Words Of Wisdom said:
Grampy said:

Plot X-Play's review scores for XBox360 and PS3 in comparison and tell me there is no bias.

What would it take for X-Play not to be biased?  The same average review score for all consoles?

That would make no sense as the same games aren't being released for all consoles.

 

 Some reviewers score higher and lower than the average and that's fine. But then we would hope to see somewhat the same high or low pattern across other consoles. Metacritic is the average score given by multiple sources with different scoring systems. This average, imperfect as it is, gives us an approximate baseline of the consensus. Sometimes a specific reviewer will be way different from this average. This particular game just pissed him off or rang all his chimes. That happens, but an individual review 30 points off average should al least be infrequent and the incidence should show some balance between platforms.

When you look at X-Play and 30% of their reviews for the Wii are 30 points below average and yet their reviews for XBox and PS3 are never that far off average then I call that bias.

It's not a question of them being totally anti-Wii. In the games they liked they actually tended to be slightly more generous than the average and they have given Wii games 100 (5 stars) it's just that in ALL the games they didn't like, they didn't just score them low, they didn't just score them lower than the average, they scored them waaaaaaaaaaaay below the average and they scored them lower than ANY other reviewer. I think this is unprofessional but I would dismiss it if they did the same thing to other consoles but they don't.

If this isn't a consistent pattern of bias then I don't know what would be.



X-Play can go F themselves, They dis PS3 owners and Wii all the time. So pro 360 >_>



rajendra82 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Grampy said:

Plot X-Play's review scores for XBox360 and PS3 in comparison and tell me there is no bias.

What would it take for X-Play not to be biased?  The same average review score for all consoles?

That would make no sense as the same games aren't being released for all consoles.

It'd take too long to compile that grapth, maybe later today.  X-Play reviewed Tenchu Z for XBox360 and gave it 2 stars, which is the same score as the Wii Tenchu game.  Does that show you that it is possible they are not systemically biased against the Wii.

Bad example, Tenchu Z had a MetaCritic average score of 56, so X-Play's 40 is only -16. Tenchu Shadow for the Wii had a MetaCritic average of 74 so X-Play's 40 is -34 pts or over twice as far off average as the XBox360 game.