konnichiwa said: Let me try to explain it one more time. EA makes FIFA 09 for the WII and it is the best visual game on the WII and it gets 9.8 an the X360 version who looks better than the Wii version gets 8.8 for the visuals. Really sorry but I don't have the feeling that it is NOT fair.

So, then, say the Wii version controls just infinitely better than the 360 version. The gameplay on the Wii version is just so much better it's unbelievable. Should the 360 have points removed, even if it plays well for a 360 game, because the Wii game plays better? Even though it's not possible for the 360 to have the same gameplay as the Wii because of the lack of a Wiimote?

It's funny how a thread with one title becomes two completely diiferent threads by the second page. Keep up the good work. /no sarcasm

Naznatips: So, then, say the Wii version controls just infinitely better than the 360 version. The gameplay on the Wii version is just so much better it's unbelievable. Should the 360 have points removed, even if it plays well for a 360 game, because the Wii game plays better? Even though it's not possible for the 360 to have the same gameplay as the Wii because of the lack of a Wiimote? My answer: If I was the reviewer and the gameplay would be better with the Wii mote I would give it ofcourse more points. That is normal I think. When I played SSX tricky on PS2 it was more easy to make a lot of points than the Xbox version. With only L1 an R1 on the Xbox controller it was harder to make different tricks. So for me the gameplay was better on PS2.

super_etecoon said: um...what? Haha. When I figure out what you just said I will go fix my posts. I just figured out how to make the big block of nothing go away when you are quoting. This seems like a whole notha level.

On the posts that are messing up the format, you'll see two sets of code that go </td> </td> </table>. If you remove the first set, it will fix everything. Just quote one of them, and you should be able to notice the extra code. HTML needs code to tell it to begin something and end something. Because there's an extra set of code ending the table, it's affecting the HTML of the website design and causing the format to get screwed up. Basically the first time you do it, it makes it a table that takes up 100% of the website width. The 2nd time it happens on the same page, it suddenly thinks it's part of the copyright code

@kon AND, you are using MULTI-PLATFORM games as your example. In THAT case, it is necessary to compare each version on each platform.

I fixed it I fixed it! I'm some smart techie guy! YAY!!!!

masschamber said: As far as I'm concerned Metroid will be better than bioshock just because you can die seriously bioshock offers no real challenge, Ge whiz them big daddies' are tough, derrp, good thing I just come back to life after they kill me, derrp, I can bust'em up with wrench some more dooddly derdily derrp seriously places were harder on prey for the exact same reason and I'll agree that it basically ruined prey, once again hype over shadows a glaring flaw, exact same reason I won't be able to put any weight a single stinking review for assassin's creed

Wow..... have you even played this game? The game is fantastic, its gorgous and the gameplay is some of the best ive seen. The Ai is fantastic, and while i do agree it can be a little easy to win, its a fantastic game and is one of the best ever made Seriously take your fanboyism and go away, man people piss me off..... Im not a fan of metroid and probably wont be, but that doesnt make me not admit that its a fantastic game and looks to be very promising

konnichiwa said: Naznatips: So, then, say the Wii version controls just infinitely better than the 360 version. The gameplay on the Wii version is just so much better it's unbelievable. Should the 360 have points removed, even if it plays well for a 360 game, because the Wii game plays better? Even though it's not possible for the 360 to have the same gameplay as the Wii because of the lack of a Wiimote? My answer: If I was the reviewer and the gameplay would be better with the Wii mote I would give it ofcourse more points. That is normal I think. When I played SSX tricky on PS2 it was more easy to make a lot of points than the Xbox version. With only L1 an R1 on the Xbox controller it was harder to make different tricks. So for me the gameplay was better on PS2.

But see that's 2 systems of rivaling levels of technology and similar control schemes. I'll even concede that with multiplatform games it's reasonable, but with games unique to the system it's not. For a better example, lets go back to the PSone era, when there was a similar difference in system capabilities. There was never a single PSone game that could match even a mediocre Nintendo 64 game's graphics. When you get to the high end Nintendo 64 graphics the difference was enormous. Does that mean that, due to the PSone's hardware limitations, every one of it's unique and enjoyable games should have been given bad reviews? Again, I take you to my Bioshock vs Metroid Prime 3 example. You say Metroid Prime 3 should be compared to Bioshock in graphics. I say if you compare it in graphics then you should compare it in control schemes as well. So, say Metroid Prime 3's control scheme turns out to be the truly perfect control scheme for console shooters. Does that mean every shooter on the PS3 and 360 from now on should get horrible gameplay scores because they are incapable of matching Metroid Prime 3's perfect control scheme? It's no different comparing this than comparing graphics. You can't review a game based on a system capability that was never there in the first place. If you compare games they should be compared to other similar games on systems of similar hardware. Truthfully games shouldn't be compared at all, but rated on their own individual merits. I also mentioned the issue of even reviewing graphics at all. I think that's a huge mistake in the first place. Graphics should not have a part in a review. Style and polish should. Odin Sphere is a gorgeous game, but it doesn't use any advanced graphical effects, just great art work. Metroid Prime 3 matches the style of the Metroid series perfectly, and it's graphics are pleasing in that respect. They graphics are polished, clean, stylistic, and match the art work. That's really all that should matter. The visuals of a game should add to the experience, and as long as they do the best they can and are perfectly appropriate for the game that should be all that matters as far as visuals in a review.

@ Don Wii If I was reviewer I would compare games of the same generation. So I would compare MP3,KZ2 and HALO3. If then a Wii owner would send me a hatemail about the visual points of the MP3 review I would write back 'that he bought the Wii an console that you don't buy for the best visuals.' If I would play three different tennis games on the three consoles. Nintendo tennis game, Sony tennis game and MS tennis game and the best game would be the wii because of the Wii motion controls then it will get the best points. If then a Sony or X360 owner would send me a hatemail because of that score I would write back ' That they bought an console with no special controls and if they want one then buy the Wii'. For me this would be best and most fair way :s.

______________________________________________________________ Naznatips wrote: But see that's 2 systems of rivaling levels of technology and similar control schemes. I'll even concede that with multiplatform games it's reasonable, but with games unique to the system it's not. For a better example, lets go back to the PSone era, when there was a similar difference in system capabilities. There was never a single PSone game that could match even a mediocre Nintendo 64 game's graphics. When you get to the high end Nintendo 64 graphics the difference was enormous. Does that mean that, due to the PSone's hardware limitations, every one of it's unique and enjoyable games should have been given bad reviews? Hmm what if someone wants to buy an console and don't know about the differences between the consoles and then see the best visual racing game is on the Wii that haves 9.8 , (assuming that PGR got 9.6 and GT5 9.6). Then he buys that game and somedays later he see someone playing GT5 and he see that game looks a lot better than the Wii racing game and he send you a hatemail about that you are biased and that GT5 and PGR4 looks a lot better than the WII racing game what would you answer :s...? Again, I take you to my Bioshock vs Metroid Prime 3 example. You say Metroid Prime 3 should be compared to Bioshock in graphics. I say if you compare it in graphics then you should compare it in control schemes as well. So, say Metroid Prime 3's control scheme turns out to be the truly perfect control scheme for console shooters. Does that mean every shooter on the PS3 and 360 from now on should get horrible gameplay scores because they are incapable of matching Metroid Prime 3's perfect control scheme? It's no different comparing this than comparing graphics. You can't review a game based on a system capability that was never there in the first place. If you compare games they should be compared to other similar games on systems of similar hardware. Truthfully games shouldn't be compared at all, but rated on their own individual merits. I also mentioned the issue of even reviewing graphics at all. I think that's a huge mistake in the first place. Graphics should not have a part in a review. Style and polish should. Odin Sphere is a gorgeous game, but it doesn't use any advanced graphical effects, just great art work. Metroid Prime 3 matches the style of the Metroid series perfectly, and it's graphics are pleasing in that respect. They graphics are polished, clean, stylistic, and match the art work. That's really all that should matter. The visuals of a game should add to the experience, and as long as they do the best they can and are perfectly appropriate for the game that should be all that matters as far as visuals in a review. True and not true I think :s I mean games like condemned feel very special with the scary lights and shadows and that is only possible on a advanced system it is hard to make this with only art I guess. _________________________________________________________________ b=+°à'ù^$^ù=>>>>>+