Personally, I think this is related to the differences in approach to developer relations between Microsoft and Sony ...

Both the PS2 and the PS3 launched with inadequate tools and documentation and (essentially) their response to developers’ complaints was “Tough!” ... In contrast, with the XBox and XBox 360 Microsoft launched with an excellent toolset and gave developers access to experts to aid developers.

While I know nothing about the inner workings of Valve, I wouldn’t be that surprised if some developers have started to resent Sony in part because of how they were treated in the past, and because of how much better Microsoft has been to them lately.

I've seen this argument tossed around a lot. What I'm yet to see is the link that spawned this line of thinking.

if gabe wants too talk shit about the ps3, he has every right too. and as for him or valve creating a game in quality to that of killzone2 , 1st off killzone2 isnt out yet so that remark doesnt carry any worth at all, 2nd left for dead is now a proven game and is of very high quality. so valve and gabe can create a game of so called "killzone 2" quality on the 360. its funny how ppl are getting so worked up as to what game designers say about a certain platform, remember john carmack a great game designer and father of fps, said more or less the same about the ps3 . its that alot of pc game designers dont like the ps3 for their own reasons. ppl need to get used to these comments and move on.

you know without valve FPS would BE NOWHERE near as developed as they are now.

killzone 2 is around because of gabe

Newell is being asked a question and he answers it honestly. He said he likes the Wii but Valve are not making any game for the Wii. You can't blame him for saying what he thinks. Besides, what he said makes complete sense.

Also, Valve games are extremely different from Killzone and I think the comparison is quite foolish.

He answered it honestly..sure. Can you tell the difference between these two answers: 1 "the ps3's architecture is quite difficult to code for. Since it's not doing well in the market and I'm mainly focused on the PC market, I won't be coding for it" 2. "PS3 is a bad console, a failure, and that Sony should stop making it and try again".

I don't know about you but IMO, one of those answers reeks of arrogance while the other is just getting the point across. With comments like that, I don't even think sony themselves would be seeking his help in the future regardless of how good he's supposed to be. Sony once dominated the console industry and it wasn't because of valve games. I don't think they'd miss him. Game devs are game devs not gods...you can stop worshipping them now.

Also, I never compared any valves games to killzone 2. I've never played any of them and don't care about any of them because I'm just not a PC gamer.

Personally, I've used a lot of development tools and read through a lot of documentation and (while I currently develop in Java and C++ using Eclipse IDEs) Microsoft's resources are really unparalleled in terms of quantity, quality and access to experts. Beyond that, I remember developers talking about how there was no decent compiler for either the PS3 or PS2 at launch, and I remember hearing of developers who had to implement their own OpenGL drivers for the PS2 because Sony didn’t provide them ...

Well, I didn't hear this. Looks like sony's 3rd party dev support sucks if you're right.

I think that Gabe Newell's reputation, and that of his game studio, will weather him saying things that are true about the PS3.

And no, Valve should not "give the PS3 a chance". They are too small to create an engine that would work on the PS3, and the returns on making a game for Sony's platform would be microscopic compared to the kind of money that Valve makes delivering an experience on Steam.

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