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ssj12 on 05 February 2009
jetrii said:
4th Gen: TurboGrafx-16, NeoGeo, Genesis, SNES
5th gen: Jaguar, Amiga CD, 3DO, Saturn, PS1, N64
6th gen: Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, GC

This is how the industry sees the console generations. Frankly, I agree with it. Only console I didn't own were the 3Do, Jaguar, and Amiga CD.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_%28first_generation%29

 

lets go with these

and yes that is basically correct.



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ssj12 on 05 February 2009
Gnizmo said:
ssj12 said:

Most people break them gens as

Gen 4: NES;Gen;ATA

Gen 5: SNES;PS1;Sat

Gen 6: PS2;DC;GC;XB

 

 No, not at all. Most people put all the 8-bit consoles together in one generation, all the 16-bit consoles in another, and then start breaking it down by release dates as it got very neat. You are the onlyone to put a 16-bit console into the 8-bit era and the only one to put a 16 bit console into PS1 era.

 

na, im sick as hell so my brain isnt working correctly at the moment....



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MaxwellGT2000 on 05 February 2009

Whoa how does PS1 go against SNES? Seriously that's stupid they're totally different, sure Nintendo did basically go to Sony cause they wanted a disc based SNES but generations are judged by time and it ended up being N64 vs PS1 vs Saturn. N64 being delayed because Nintendo didn't trust Sony especially after Sony wanted the royalties to games developed on the system, when all Nintendo wanted was a partner to help them develop a disc based system not some kind of partnership or anything.



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Garnett on 05 February 2009
Pristine20 said:
Garnett said:
ssj12 said:
freedquaker said:

 

This was a thread created 2 years ago, and Let's see how well my statements fare today. Ok, The title should be changed to "Unbiased Facts About the Current Consoles Revisited" now maybe but I just wanted to be consistent with the title.

People were throwing a lot of crap at me then but look how things turned out. The causes could be controversial at times but the results are clear. People try to "create sense based on a limited and often flawed information". There are many other variables which our "way of thinking" might forget/fail to include, either because there are just too many of them, or just people can't or don't want to see them.

Here are the facts that I had predicted and let's see how they turned out to be.

Fact 1 : High Price Consoles never win!

Well, PS3 is not winning and 360 and Wii are selling more, right? Check!

True-ish

Fact 2 : Sony's Technical Specs are always vastly exaggerated and Claims Never Come True!

Well, it was the case with PS1 and PS2, and PS3 can barely compete with 360, and only several first party games can surpass the 360 after loooooooong periods of development. Check!

Not true. UT3 on the PS3 looks better than Gears 1 and UT3 on the 360. Gears 2 had extra engine upgrade time but doesnt have that much of an improvement. There are also a ton of other games that are technically better than theirm 360 counterpart. Say DMC, Burnout Paradise, Call of Duty 4, and a few others.

You say UT3 looks better on PS3 than Gears 1 looks on 360,Maybe,But then you say Gears 2 had a engine upgrade so i dosent count?????? LOL?

Fact 3 : Always the Weakest Console wins!

This is not a reasoning, this is just a twist of fate, it happens to be so. And guess what? Wii is the weakest console and it is winning, by and large! Check!

Cheapest always wins. Wii started cheapest.

Fact 4 : Sony is Notorious for the LENGHTY LOADING TIMES.

Unfortunately so. And now what happens? They put "mandatory installation" to match the loading times of 360 or wii. The additional hard drive does not make it better than other machines. NXE on the other hand shortens the loading times of 360 considerably, making it faster than ps3 on equal terms. Check!

False. It has been proven in many games that laod times are even without install and with install loadtimes are significantly better. All NXE does is make the games install content which is exactly what the PS3 games do. This argument is bunk.

Wrong,PS3 had to install games to there HDD because the slow BR drive,and if they do install games,games still load faster on 360 without INSTALLS.

Fact 5 : PS3 has a greater speed as potential.

This potential is shown occasionally with games like Killzone, but not too often or drastic though (which is why it's "potential"). I'm still firm in my opinion that Xbox's superiority over ps2 was much greater than ps3 over 360. Check!

For this being called "unbiased" your seriously being a troll in some of these. See Fact 2.

Fact 6 : Xbox360 has More Memory and a Better Memory Structure.

No question about. Despite improvements on the ps3 side, this is still the case, will remain so. 360 simply has more memory and better memory architecture as admitted by many firms. Check!

Mixed. The PS3 has faster RAM. The 360 has a few MBs more.

360 can unevenly divide its RAM,Say 150mbs Gprhcs and the rest CPU.

Fact 7 : You cant win globally if you fail in either of those two markets, Japan and America.

This is why 360 is not winning (and can't possibly win) this generation. Check!

True, it is also why it will be in 3rd at the end of this gen.

2020 the year of the PS3 lmao.

Fact 8 : Wii is picking up and gonna take the lead soon.

That is what exactly happened! Check!

Not a shock...

Fact 9 : PS3 sales are far from building a momentum.

Yes, there is some sort of increase in sales but a momentum needs more than this. PS3 was surpassed by both other consoles in all 3 years now, so we can't talk much about momentum! Check!

Yes, so outselling the 360 for more than 3/4s of last year wasnt momentum? Also the PS3 hasnt been out for 3 years. Neither has the Wii. Learn to check your facts.

Did you forget 360 was out selling PS3,untill MGS4 came out,then the 360 Pricecut turned that back around.

 

 

 

 

Where did you get that one from?

 

GTA4 takes for ever to load the PS3 version up while the 360 version is half the loading time.

 



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Words Of Wisdom on 05 February 2009
ssj12 said:
Gnizmo said:
ssj12 said:

Most people break them gens as

Gen 4: NES;Gen;ATA

Gen 5: SNES;PS1;Sat

Gen 6: PS2;DC;GC;XB

 

 No, not at all. Most people put all the 8-bit consoles together in one generation, all the 16-bit consoles in another, and then start breaking it down by release dates as it got very neat. You are the onlyone to put a 16-bit console into the 8-bit era and the only one to put a 16 bit console into PS1 era.

 

na, im sick as hell so my brain isnt working correctly at the moment....

I agree with that last statement and the one before it.



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Jordahn on 05 February 2009
Gnizmo said:
Jordahn said:
 
 

SONY NEVER promised in-game Toy Story graphics on the PS2.  Microsoft did with the original Xbox and didn't suceed.  People need to stop believing this urban legend.  And Toy Story graphics on the PS3?  Ratchet & Clank Future comes the closest.  I don't know of anything else on any other system that has done this.

 http://money.cnn.com/1999/03/01/life/playstation/ CNN seems to think they did. Given this does not prove the statement was thrown out there, but it is some strong evidence of it.

 

I've read numerous articles of news outlets hyping the PS2 when first announced.  It was their conclusion that the PS2 was capable of Toy Story graphics, NOT SONY.  According to the tech demo back in the day, I can see where they are coming from.  But when it comes to the reality of game development, factors such as AI, lighting, texture, and draw distance effected the polygon count of each individual game.  I've seen so much unreasonable SONY hate stemmed from this urban legend as a foundation.  If those who believed it would just look back and reassess themselves...



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Squilliam on 05 February 2009
Jordahn said:
Gnizmo said:
Jordahn said:
 
 

SONY NEVER promised in-game Toy Story graphics on the PS2.  Microsoft did with the original Xbox and didn't suceed.  People need to stop believing this urban legend.  And Toy Story graphics on the PS3?  Ratchet & Clank Future comes the closest.  I don't know of anything else on any other system that has done this.

 http://money.cnn.com/1999/03/01/life/playstation/ CNN seems to think they did. Given this does not prove the statement was thrown out there, but it is some strong evidence of it.

 

I've read numerous articles of news outlets hyping the PS2 when first announced.  It was their conclusion that the PS2 was capable of Toy Story graphics, NOT SONY.  According to the tech demo back in the day, I can see where they are coming from.  But when it comes to the reality of game development, factors such as AI, lighting, texture, and draw distance effected the polygon count of each individual game.  I've seen so much unreasonable SONY hate stemmed from this urban legend as a foundation.  If those who believed it would just look back and reassess themselves...

But the 2 teraflop figure is still fresh in peoples minds. So they have fresh hate sauce to spread on their sandwiches.

 



Tease.

Jordahn on 05 February 2009
Squilliam said:
Jordahn said:
Gnizmo said:
Jordahn said:
 
 

SONY NEVER promised in-game Toy Story graphics on the PS2.  Microsoft did with the original Xbox and didn't suceed.  People need to stop believing this urban legend.  And Toy Story graphics on the PS3?  Ratchet & Clank Future comes the closest.  I don't know of anything else on any other system that has done this.

 http://money.cnn.com/1999/03/01/life/playstation/ CNN seems to think they did. Given this does not prove the statement was thrown out there, but it is some strong evidence of it.

 

I've read numerous articles of news outlets hyping the PS2 when first announced.  It was their conclusion that the PS2 was capable of Toy Story graphics, NOT SONY.  According to the tech demo back in the day, I can see where they are coming from.  But when it comes to the reality of game development, factors such as AI, lighting, texture, and draw distance effected the polygon count of each individual game.  I've seen so much unreasonable SONY hate stemmed from this urban legend as a foundation.  If those who believed it would just look back and reassess themselves...

But the 2 teraflop figure is still fresh in peoples minds. So they have fresh hate sauce to spread on their sandwiches.

 

So?  I don't see where the issue is by looking at 1st and 2nd party efforts.  But still, no excuse for hate.  All console makers have had a negative tint to their PR's, but I still respect them all as console makers and the consoles they make.  If the hate you are referring to is so justified, those should not discriminate and give up console gaming all together.  No excuses.



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ssj12 on 05 February 2009
Squilliam said:
Jordahn said:
Gnizmo said:
Jordahn said:

SONY NEVER promised in-game Toy Story graphics on the PS2.  Microsoft did with the original Xbox and didn't suceed.  People need to stop believing this urban legend.  And Toy Story graphics on the PS3?  Ratchet & Clank Future comes the closest.  I don't know of anything else on any other system that has done this.

 http://money.cnn.com/1999/03/01/life/playstation/ CNN seems to think they did. Given this does not prove the statement was thrown out there, but it is some strong evidence of it.

 

I've read numerous articles of news outlets hyping the PS2 when first announced.  It was their conclusion that the PS2 was capable of Toy Story graphics, NOT SONY.  According to the tech demo back in the day, I can see where they are coming from.  But when it comes to the reality of game development, factors such as AI, lighting, texture, and draw distance effected the polygon count of each individual game.  I've seen so much unreasonable SONY hate stemmed from this urban legend as a foundation.  If those who believed it would just look back and reassess themselves...

But the 2 teraflop figure is still fresh in peoples minds. So they have fresh hate sauce to spread on their sandwiches.

 

man hate sause tastes nasty, 1337 sauce is where its at. Hateraid is awesome though.

 



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Pristine20 on 05 February 2009
Garnett said:
Pristine20 said:
Garnett said:
ssj12 said:
freedquaker said:

 

This was a thread created 2 years ago, and Let's see how well my statements fare today. Ok, The title should be changed to "Unbiased Facts About the Current Consoles Revisited" now maybe but I just wanted to be consistent with the title.

People were throwing a lot of crap at me then but look how things turned out. The causes could be controversial at times but the results are clear. People try to "create sense based on a limited and often flawed information". There are many other variables which our "way of thinking" might forget/fail to include, either because there are just too many of them, or just people can't or don't want to see them.

Here are the facts that I had predicted and let's see how they turned out to be.

Fact 1 : High Price Consoles never win!

Well, PS3 is not winning and 360 and Wii are selling more, right? Check!

True-ish

Fact 2 : Sony's Technical Specs are always vastly exaggerated and Claims Never Come True!

Well, it was the case with PS1 and PS2, and PS3 can barely compete with 360, and only several first party games can surpass the 360 after loooooooong periods of development. Check!

Not true. UT3 on the PS3 looks better than Gears 1 and UT3 on the 360. Gears 2 had extra engine upgrade time but doesnt have that much of an improvement. There are also a ton of other games that are technically better than theirm 360 counterpart. Say DMC, Burnout Paradise, Call of Duty 4, and a few others.

You say UT3 looks better on PS3 than Gears 1 looks on 360,Maybe,But then you say Gears 2 had a engine upgrade so i dosent count?????? LOL?

Fact 3 : Always the Weakest Console wins!

This is not a reasoning, this is just a twist of fate, it happens to be so. And guess what? Wii is the weakest console and it is winning, by and large! Check!

Cheapest always wins. Wii started cheapest.

Fact 4 : Sony is Notorious for the LENGHTY LOADING TIMES.

Unfortunately so. And now what happens? They put "mandatory installation" to match the loading times of 360 or wii. The additional hard drive does not make it better than other machines. NXE on the other hand shortens the loading times of 360 considerably, making it faster than ps3 on equal terms. Check!

False. It has been proven in many games that laod times are even without install and with install loadtimes are significantly better. All NXE does is make the games install content which is exactly what the PS3 games do. This argument is bunk.

Wrong,PS3 had to install games to there HDD because the slow BR drive,and if they do install games,games still load faster on 360 without INSTALLS.

Fact 5 : PS3 has a greater speed as potential.

This potential is shown occasionally with games like Killzone, but not too often or drastic though (which is why it's "potential"). I'm still firm in my opinion that Xbox's superiority over ps2 was much greater than ps3 over 360. Check!

For this being called "unbiased" your seriously being a troll in some of these. See Fact 2.

Fact 6 : Xbox360 has More Memory and a Better Memory Structure.

No question about. Despite improvements on the ps3 side, this is still the case, will remain so. 360 simply has more memory and better memory architecture as admitted by many firms. Check!

Mixed. The PS3 has faster RAM. The 360 has a few MBs more.

360 can unevenly divide its RAM,Say 150mbs Gprhcs and the rest CPU.

Fact 7 : You cant win globally if you fail in either of those two markets, Japan and America.

This is why 360 is not winning (and can't possibly win) this generation. Check!

True, it is also why it will be in 3rd at the end of this gen.

2020 the year of the PS3 lmao.

Fact 8 : Wii is picking up and gonna take the lead soon.

That is what exactly happened! Check!

Not a shock...

Fact 9 : PS3 sales are far from building a momentum.

Yes, there is some sort of increase in sales but a momentum needs more than this. PS3 was surpassed by both other consoles in all 3 years now, so we can't talk much about momentum! Check!

Yes, so outselling the 360 for more than 3/4s of last year wasnt momentum? Also the PS3 hasnt been out for 3 years. Neither has the Wii. Learn to check your facts.

Did you forget 360 was out selling PS3,untill MGS4 came out,then the 360 Pricecut turned that back around.

 

 

 

 

Where did you get that one from?

 

GTA4 takes for ever to load the PS3 version up while the 360 version is half the loading time.

 

So 1 game led to the blanket statement. Not surprising since it came from you and it's ps3-incompatible lol.

 



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