Listen people, there will be people who think FFVI was the best and peole who think FFVII was the best. But I whole heartedly agree with Ckmlb. When you start making claims those asserting the superiority of FF6 on elements that FF7 obviously excelled in by contrast then you know you're just running on nostalgia and little else. For christ's sake, you're claiming Sprites convey more emotion.

I've played FFVI and the spirtes really don't convey that much, maybe when you're 8-11 years old playing the game for the first time they do and sure you can assume their the moods of" static, angry or laughing using basic deduction of what can be portrayed via a brick of a fex pixels, but that's about it. Kefka's laugh will never be a legitimate enough reason to claim FFVI had more feeling or emotion in its characters. Stop making excuses for opinions that are founded in Nostalgia.

People will always claim FF7 was the best game and people will always claim FF6 was the best game, it's all a matter of opinion.

Sprites can absolutely convey more emotion. Again, you're talking about the technical aspect and ignoring the aesthetic aspect, which is much more important for conveying emotion. I have no problem agreeing that it's a matter of opinion. Yet here I am giving logical arguments for my opinion, while people trying to undermine me are just saying it can't possibly be for any other reason than jealousy or nostalgia. Who's really making excuses?

I hear Vampire Rain could be a contender for the victory in this thread as well? One of my friedns tried it, and deleted it after five minutes, pluss media over here have ripped the game apart.

 No, it isn't.

 Having just quoted you in the last post, I will quote you again and say I absolutely, completely, totally, entirely and enthusiastically agree with everything you just said. The extra adjectives were jammed in there just to emphasize how amazingly and eerily similar to my own feelings this post is. I've felt this precise way for 3 years now. 

On a side note, I really want TF2. If you haven't seen the new trailer, go take a look see. While game play mechanics aren't the purpose of these, the graphical style (the movies are using the in game engine) and humor involved are fantastic. I really hope Valve delivers -- they're changing a lot about the game, but I do, like you, have a good deal of faith in valve. 

I'm more than aptly taking into consideration the aesthetic aspect and can tell you that FF7 portrays far more emotion than FF6, people only cried when Aeris died in FF7, how many people shed tears for FF6? Give me a break, free range body gestures and cut scenes did far more for FF7 than five barely distinguishable facial features for a sprite model. This is an argument you can't win. If you like FF6 more, that's fine, you're not alone, don't make up silly ass reasons to force the matter that you're somehow right in your opinion.

Am I the only one who sees the argument of claiming FF6 sprites having more emotion than FF7 models as being a bullshit exuse in the first place? I mean, even if you were right, even if FF6 sprites did have more emotion, of all the nit-picky trivial reasons to try and place one game on a pedistal above another. This is the kind of fanboy hair-splitting that just makes people want to pull out their hair. Give it up!

E.T. - the game that could have ended all gaming!

I'm almost ready to give up.  You seem to only be interested in attacking me, and not interested in actually responding to anything I've said, with the exception of one sentence about body gestures and cutscenes.  To that, I will respond:

Body gestures and free range of motion of 3D characters can certainly bring about an emotional impact.  The problem is that they didn't make the transition to 3D smoothly enough.  If they had real-looking characters or artfully-done comical/cartoon/whatever art style characters, and they were well-animated, they would absolutely whip the ass of the SNES's sprites.  But they didn't.  They had blocky, extremely low-detail, woodenly-animated 3D models.  They were like the stick figures of 3D graphics.   How am I supposed to have an emotional response when all I can think of is "Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto?"

The cutscenes obviously do a much better job, but as I said earlier, they create a jarring transition between the two representations of the world.  Square did try to limit the effects of this transition by using pre-rendered images from the cutscenes as backgrounds for the characters to move in.  Good idea, but IMO made it even worse -- now you have the blocky wooden models and the pre-rendered stuff on the screen at the same time, and you have 3D characters walking on a 2D picture.  Resident Evil on the PSX didn't work for me either.

The reason I'm only analyzing this one aspect of the game is because people brought it up when trying to undermine the opinion that FF7 wasn't as good.  I'm not splitting hairs, I'm responding to attacks.  I could go on and on about other aspects of the game, from the materia system (I actually like this part), to the three-character party limit, to the load times, to the overly long summon animations, to the themes of the story.  But all I'm trying to do is show that it's possible not to like a successor as much as a game that came before it, and it has nothing to do with nostalgia or jealousy.  You know what, I like Gradius V more than Gradius III, and there's another game that was on Nintendo first and Sony later.

@Bodhesatva: Wow!  I really struck a resonating chord with you on that one eh?  Good to know that I'm not the only one who feels this way about Epic.  People really liked UT2004, so I thought I was going to get a lot of disagreement with that post in addition to my FF post.  And I appreciate your Monty Python satire.  :) 

Hmm... None come to mind immediately, so I'll take a look at my gaming shelf.

Fable - Not a bad game entirely, but the hype made me think it wouldn't be the 100% most rail roaded game I've every played. Don't know why people still listen to Molyneux.. Also wtf is up with my guy doing 3 quests and suddenly being like 50, although my sister remains young and hot? Bah.

Prince of Persia - The acrobatics work very well, but the combat is dull (3 different enemies, 2 different moves you use to kill them EVERY SINGLE TIME), and the plot is damn tedious. You just run from corner of the palace to corner of the palace, and have no idea where you're supposed to go.

Knights of the Old Republic II - Because it was crap. A crap sequel to a great game. -_-

Star Fox Assault - The whole combined arms thing works well and there's a lot of potential, but the game could've used a crapload of more polish. Plot sucks, the enemies are stupid and boring, controls are all over the place at times, and the characters sound and act like they're in pre-school.

Battalion Wars - The gameplay works ok and is kinda fun, but could those guys giving my orders just give them and leave me alone for the rest of the mission? Cartoony warfare where everyone looks goofy and just falls down/disappears when they're killed is still ok, but my superior officer and the enemy commander arguing on the command channel totally my immersion.

Just remembered another one...did anyone else hate Starfox for the DS?