| windbane said:
most previews are entirely positive, but the one quoted was half negative. Hum...makes ya think, doesn't it? Oh, I guess not. again, you compare KZ2 to Lair and Haze for no good reason. it's not near the same situation, but I already pointed that out in my post above. |
So if a negative comment in a preview demonstrates how bad a game will be does:
don't think Guerrilla Games excels at making games "fun," but they're certainly good at making them look the part -- and nailing their own version of the fundamentals of a shooter. Killzone 2 will be an excellent showpiece for the PS3, and games in general (Dear Sony: Please use in-game footage instead of CG for the inevitable commercials), but I'll stick to the less-realistic side of things for my own tastes. Though, by all means, if you want pretty and gritty, mark your calendars for February.
mean that Killzone 2 is a pretty but boring game?
What about:
Essentially, Killzone 2 is what Guerrilla tried to promise with Killzone -- it's just now finally realized. What I commend most is how complete the game feels already. Released right now, it's a solid effort with some annoying glitches (some scripted sequences necessary for mission progress didn't happen due to the friendly A.I. failing to trigger said sequences) that could garner a B. But since Guerrilla has a couple of months left of pure polish, I'm hoping it's time used wisely -- and I'm looking forward to the end result come February.
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Right away, I feel that the Helghast are plentiful, yet somewhat unsatisfying to fight against. For one, their lack of aesthetic diversity hinders my enjoyment of defeating them. On top of that, the overall character design also seems questionable -- red eyes contrasting dark uniforms make them unnecessarily stand out. In turn, from a player's perspective, the Helghast eyes become the only feature to watch out for on the battlefield -- which distracts from their overall visual design and makes them all blur together into a sea of red eyes that feel one and the same. Despite all that, they're not completely void of offering gratification -- it's funny when you shoot off their helmets and briefly catch them off guard.
Shooter fans will find Killzone 2's cover system notable. Separating the "take cover" function from the "run" function makes gameplay seamless, especially compared to Gears of War -- you'll never find yourself getting stuck behind an unnecessary barrier. Also, popping out of cover to the side makes the camera rotate about 45 degrees in the direction you move in; though after a short while, this particular aspect feels more like a gimmick than an engaging in-battle experience. I'm also really bothered by how crouching becomes a chore via the lack of a toggle-crouch option. Even so, I still think the simple act of shooting from cover feels pretty good. The learning curve for each gun will likely keep players engaged, and managing recoil feels natural -- I just wish the Helghast were more interesting foes.
One preview had quite a bit negative to say about Killzone 2 ... "most previews are entirely positive ... Hum...makes ya think, doesn't it?"
Once again, I never said Killzone 2 would turn out like Lair or Haze (in fact I said the opposite) ... What I did say is that you can't assume that Killzone 2 will be a great game because it had an experienced development team, large budget, or because it has a lot of positive buzz because both Lair and Haze had all those things.
HappyRat: firstly, i'd like to know the sources of those articles.
secondly, I think "annoying glitches" and not liking the enemy character design are a lot different than having problems with the control scheme for the entire game. I said all along that Lair's problems was the control itself and not the control method. I played it with analog sticks and it still wasn't good.
thirdly, Lair and Haze is a comparison that never really had merit. There was no beta for those games. There weren't 5 reviews in the upper 90s. Those things both built hype because people that have first-hand experience playing the game want to play it more. As I said before, a lot of people hated the Haze demo.
| windbane said: HappyRat: firstly, i'd like to know the sources of those articles. |
Source: http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3171677&p=37&sec=PREVIEWS
Beyond that, in my post where I reference Lair and Haze I said "I'm not saying Killzone 2 is in any way a similar result to those games, but the factors you listed for ensuring that Killzone 2 would be a better game have certainly not helped many games so far this generation." ... In other words, I was pointing out that he was looking at the wrong things for Killzone 2 being ensured to being a great game.
Even the reasons you listed are not that great as a prediction that the game will remain critically acclaimed ... there have been lots of games which started out with a few very high initial reviews, and as the game is reviewed by more sources the score ended up dropping to a high 70s to low 80s score.
Basically, you can't tell the quality of a game before you played the final retail version ...
It's funny that it's mostly non-ps3 owners who are complaining that the game is overhyped. You don't have to worry, you won't be getting the game even if it ends up sucking so no loss there.
If you don't like the killzone 2 threads, don't post in them. Doesn't get any easier than that.
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HappySqurriel said:
Source: http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3171677&p=37&sec=PREVIEWS
Beyond that, in my post where I reference Lair and Haze I said "I'm not saying Killzone 2 is in any way a similar result to those games, but the factors you listed for ensuring that Killzone 2 would be a better game have certainly not helped many games so far this generation." ... In other words, I was pointing out that he was looking at the wrong things for Killzone 2 being ensured to being a great game. Even the reasons you listed are not that great as a prediction that the game will remain critically acclaimed ... there have been lots of games which started out with a few very high initial reviews, and as the game is reviewed by more sources the score ended up dropping to a high 70s to low 80s score. Basically, you can't tell the quality of a game before you played the final retail version ... |
if you watch the video as I just did, the guy at the end says he really wanted to keep playing. I've always liked 1up because they try to be fair and point out negatives. Still, their complaints for KZ1 pale compared to saying the entire control scheme is bad.
You tell me a game that has this many reviews that are upper 90s and then dips into the 70s or low 80s.
I can tell you the quality of the multiplayer despite it not being the full version. It's not like the game will get worse.
| CGI-Quality said: @ Happy In his defense, there are folks who played the final version, and STILL speak highly of it. |
not that it matters to him...i think we'll need 50 reviews to convince him.
windbane said:
not that it matters to him...i think we'll need 50 reviews to convince him. |
nah, I don't think he can be convinced, he just wans a chace to say "gotcha" lol.
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richardhutnik said:
Yaris is awesome, it is probably the most underrated game in history. Ok, Aegis Wing MULTIPLAYER sux. Single player, you have a right to love it.
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Glad to hear it, I have even made a thread to rub the yaris love in the people who can't play its' faces 
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=58387&page=1
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| soulsamurai said: There are massive amounts of threads claiming that Killzone 2 will be the "greatest gamez evahz! omgwtfbbq!", but for every thread posted there is about 20 posts withing it claiming killzone will be a huge let down with nothing, but dissapoint and mediocre reviews. While people maybe a little over excited, some people are just down right cynical claiming a games going to be junk. Play the game before you judge. Many people got hyped for GTAIV to find out it was nothing special, many of those people who were claiming that one was going to be one of the greatest games (including me) will admit it was a huge let down. Killzone though will absolutely not be a letdown at least for multiplayer. I was lucky enough to get into the beta, and just playing a mere beta I can say that the game, will not dissapoint no matter how hyped it is. The multiplayer is as solid as a 3 foot wall of solid adamantium. Ask any person who was in the beta they will tell you exactly what I'am saying right now. Quit the nesaying, if you don't wanna get hyped don't, but don't couph up garbage if you havn't played it. |
I don't think I ever saw people saying it would flop, get bad reviews, and be junk. The only comments I saw was that the game still might not have good sales for a variety of good reasons. I'd love some links to these "20 posts per thread" where people were saying Killzone will suck, as I think only the purest of 360 fanboys could say that.
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