I always thought the sale of rare was something that MS and Rare wanted (nintendo had alot of stock in rare)

Rare was tired of Nintendo telling them what to do, and I think the change of Dinosaur Planet to Star Fox Adventures was the last straw.. I think it was kinda like Chad Johnson in the NFL demanding a trade, and the organization does it because it knew it could get alot of money for it.

Nintendo got much more for Rare, than they ever produced for the MS consoles... That got a great deal. MS got ripped off.

Also, yes I know retro had other promising "looking" games, that was my point they are artistically talented. Arc Blade (was that the name), and the Football game would have sucked imo, there is a reason nintendo canned them when they stepped in.

RARE's new games are good, just not as good as the old ones.

@Bigjon.

Raven Blade was the title and no, I don't think it would have sucked at all. They got canned because Metroid Prime needed the resources. MP was actually coming along very poorly because the 60 man studio couldn't put enough people on the project.

Miyamoto (yeah, him) decided the project needed the whole focus of the studio so the other titles were dropped.

MP was considered of very poor quality in the early builds until the studio put everyone on it which as we now know was a fantastic move because MP eventually became absolutely brilliant.

im tired of nitendo fanboys saying that rare is not good anymore i have to disagree i love kameo,pdz,pinata,and banjo.just as much as there old games

I haven't seen anybody in here say Rare isn't any good anymore.

What we're all saying, is that they aren't nearly anywhere near as good as they used to be.

And for the guy who asked earlier about staff leaving after the microsoft aquisition, I believe the two founders left weeks after Microsoft bought them out.

i never said that anyone in here said it but several but dont tell me u have never heard any one say it.and no the stamper  brothers left in late 2007 and they were bought in 2002 i believe

No.

Stamper brothers wanted to sell their quotes of Rare so they offered them to Nintendo ( Nintendo "only" had 49% ).

Nintendo saw it wasn't worth buy Rare so they let know to Stamper brothers that they could sell Rare to another company.

Stamper brothers gave to Nintendo US$ 100 millions , plus "their" most lucrative IP ( Donkey Kong  ).

Nintendo left al the other IPs created by Rare to them. Then Stamper brothers sold Rare for US$ 377 million to Microsoft.

Everyone knows how commecially succesfull was Rare after their department from Nintendo. 

PS: I think Nintendo at the time paid US$ 40 million to get 49% of Rare.

I seem to recall that as well, but a quick Google search didn't reveal anything.  The Wikipedia entry didn't show much either.  Most of the staff departures listed on the Wiki happened a few years before they were sold to Microsoft.  Maybe they were already on their way downhill when Microsoft bought them.

Is there a member out there who could clear this up?

Retro was in deep shit at that time. They had a lot of projects on development but there wasn't a clear idea of what to do of those games and the managment waasn't good.

Then Nintendo decided to fully buy them.

When they did it Nintendo cancelled all the projects, give them the Metroid  franchise to work on under Miyamoto supervision and fired the Retro president.

do u have any idea wat u r talking about rare never owned the ip for donkey kong nitendo let them use it anyways they sold over 50mil units of software while they were with nitendo.next ure going to say that they had the starfox license even though they made 1 starfox game like ten years after the origianal