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dahuman on 25 January 2009
JaggedSac said:
dahuman said:
Barozi said:
dahuman said:
Barozi said:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL @ Halo better on PC

Give me co-op, then we can talk again.

I played doom 1 co-op on a 14.4k modem a long time ago, it's nothing new. I'll tell you something about halo split-screen co-op though, it was broken, you can take turns beating the game in co-op mode, it was retarded.

 

edit: oh and remember the good old days when you can play Halo multi-player cross platform? xbox people got destroyed, that should make it clear enough.

pfff Halo is mean to to be played co-op. There is nothing broken with the splitscreen co-op and you have no evidence for this statement.

And when you think co-op is the same as singleplayer I'm really sry for you.

EDIT: Scratch that last sentence. Fact is Halo has co-op mode on console but not on PC, so you don't need to come up with Doom.

I played the game on xbox with a friend and the PC version as well =P I know exactly what I'm talking about, I'm starting to wonder if you played the same game I did lol.

 

That had to have been done with some sort of pc/xbox LAN bridge because Halo CE on XBox did not have any online component.  But I am just gonna call you out as a liar.

 

sorry for not clarifying, that part was halo 2

edit: if you are talking about the friend thing, I played at his house, we stayed up all night with halo 1, I played the PC version later as well.



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JaggedSac on 25 January 2009
dahuman said:
JaggedSac said:

Yes, mouse/keyboard offers more precise controls.  But it doesn't mean jack shit unless you are competing with two different inputs.  Sure, if someone with a controller was competing against a person with mouse/keyboard, they would very likely lose.  But there has only been like 1 game where console players and pc players could compete.  I happen to be able to maneuver and play games on either a console controller or mouse/keyboard very efficiently.  I really could care less what input I use as long as the game is fun and the people I play multiplayer with are enjoyable to play with.  I grew up playing Quake, Tribes, Doom, Rise of the Triad, etc.  I will play any FPS you throw at me regardless of the control scheme.

 

And Halo felt wierd on PC because of the momentum and weight that Bungie(and Gearbox didn't adjust I guess) developed for the games' dual analog console controls.  It just didn't move around like normal pc fps' camera/character on a stick.

 

you are very right, Halo was made as a console game, and when they ported it to the PC, a lot of it wasn't done right, one thing being the fps is always locked at 30 so when you are moving, it can seem a little restricting to a mouse user, that and the shader model was originally made for the xbox so the conversion made the game to not run as well on the PC if you had a slower computer, but my experience is that even then, it controlled better on the PC than with dual analog because you can still react faster.

Which in turn destroyed the game's single player because the enemy AI wasn't designed for such precise and fast controls.  You had to bump up the difficulty just to break a sweat.

 



dahuman on 25 January 2009
JaggedSac said:
dahuman said:
JaggedSac said:

Yes, mouse/keyboard offers more precise controls.  But it doesn't mean jack shit unless you are competing with two different inputs.  Sure, if someone with a controller was competing against a person with mouse/keyboard, they would very likely lose.  But there has only been like 1 game where console players and pc players could compete.  I happen to be able to maneuver and play games on either a console controller or mouse/keyboard very efficiently.  I really could care less what input I use as long as the game is fun and the people I play multiplayer with are enjoyable to play with.  I grew up playing Quake, Tribes, Doom, Rise of the Triad, etc.  I will play any FPS you throw at me regardless of the control scheme.

 

And Halo felt wierd on PC because of the momentum and weight that Bungie(and Gearbox didn't adjust I guess) developed for the games' dual analog console controls.  It just didn't move around like normal pc fps' camera/character on a stick.

 

you are very right, Halo was made as a console game, and when they ported it to the PC, a lot of it wasn't done right, one thing being the fps is always locked at 30 so when you are moving, it can seem a little restricting to a mouse user, that and the shader model was originally made for the xbox so the conversion made the game to not run as well on the PC if you had a slower computer, but my experience is that even then, it controlled better on the PC than with dual analog because you can still react faster.

Which in turn destroyed the game's single player because the enemy AI wasn't designed for such precise and fast controls.  You had to bump up the difficulty just to break a sweat.

 

yep, that's why it was rated much lower as a PC game, there is nothing really wrong with it as a console game though, but that's not what we are really discussing hehe.

 



JaggedSac on 25 January 2009

And I played Halo 2 on Live for years and I am pretty sure it never put me against a pc gamer, and if it did I couldn't tell. Once again, a gamer would have to specifically perform some sort of LAN bridge to plain against pc users which would just be plain stupid. Also, Halo character movement is a lot slower than pc designed fps so hitting your opponent is much much easier. PC FPS games are known for jumping like bunnies, but that doesn't really work well with Halo since character movement is not as fast.



dahuman on 25 January 2009
JaggedSac said:

And I played Halo 2 on Live for years and I am pretty sure it never put me against a pc gamer, and if it did I couldn't tell. Once again, a gamer would have to specifically perform some sort of LAN bridge to plain against pc users which would just be plain stupid. Also, Halo character movement is a lot slower than pc designed fps so hitting your opponent is much much easier. PC FPS games are known for jumping like bunnies, but that doesn't really work well with Halo since character movement is not as fast.

 

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JaggedSac on 25 January 2009
dahuman said:
JaggedSac said:

And I played Halo 2 on Live for years and I am pretty sure it never put me against a pc gamer, and if it did I couldn't tell. Once again, a gamer would have to specifically perform some sort of LAN bridge to plain against pc users which would just be plain stupid. Also, Halo character movement is a lot slower than pc designed fps so hitting your opponent is much much easier. PC FPS games are known for jumping like bunnies, but that doesn't really work well with Halo since character movement is not as fast.

 

live gold

Yep, I played on Live with a gold subscription for 3 years and I am almost 99% certain pc and console gamers were not competing.

 



Barozi on 25 January 2009
dahuman said:
Barozi said:
dahuman said:
Barozi said:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL @ Halo better on PC

Give me co-op, then we can talk again.

I played doom 1 co-op on a 14.4k modem a long time ago, it's nothing new. I'll tell you something about halo split-screen co-op though, it was broken, you can take turns beating the game in co-op mode, it was retarded.

 

edit: oh and remember the good old days when you can play Halo multi-player cross platform? xbox people got destroyed, that should make it clear enough.

pfff Halo is mean to to be played co-op. There is nothing broken with the splitscreen co-op and you have no evidence for this statement.

And when you think co-op is the same as singleplayer I'm really sry for you.

EDIT: Scratch that last sentence. Fact is Halo has co-op mode on console but not on PC, so you don't need to come up with Doom.

I played the game on xbox with a friend and the PC version as well =P I know exactly what I'm talking about, I'm starting to wonder if you played the same game I did lol.

I own every Halo game available no matter which platform.

Maybe you make a mistake here. I'm not talking about if the game has better controls on the PC or on a console.

I'm simply talking about the Xbox version has co-op mode - PC version doesn't. This makes the PC version inferior to me when the probably biggest feature is missing.



IllegalPaladin on 25 January 2009

Honestly, Halo isn't that great on PC anyway. I haven't played the second one (mainly since I'm still on XP), but I do own the first one.

If you can play on both keyboard/mouse and controller and enjoy it, then you're ahead of the curve and we'll get to laugh at those who struggle like the sly devils we are.



Deneidez on 25 January 2009

My vote goes for PC... unless you use keyboard & mouse on console. Yeah, sure wiimote is similar to mouse, but with larger resolutions it doesn't have as good sensitivity as mouse(Wiimote resolution is 800xsomething if I remember correctly.). Using traditional console controller for FPS feels like riding a tank and thats how it shouldn't feel... unless of course its a tank game. :D



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Khuutra on 25 January 2009
Deneidez said:
My vote goes for PC... unless you use keyboard & mouse on console. Yeah, sure wiimote is similar to mouse, but with larger resolutions it doesn't have as good sensitivity as mouse(Wiimote resolution is 800xsomething if I remember correctly.). Using traditional console controller for FPS feels like riding a tank and thats how it shouldn't feel... unless of course its a tank game. :D

The Wii remote is capable of aiming at any given pixel on a screen and is going to be much faster than a mouse when dealing with multiple enemies within one's field of vision. I don't know how it could be more "accurate" than pixel-by-pixel, or how the speed could be reasonably improved when one has the ability to anchor perspective, as one can in Corruption.