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PS3 and 360 built up the COD franchise with modern warfare allowing the 5th one to sell easily, The Wii has to do that now with World at War (which it is doing, but it's still a watered down version of the ps360 version).

I don't think it's an issue with the graphics or the console userbase, it's the decisions from the 3rd parties not building up the fanbase on Wii, had CoD 4 been released on Wii without gimped online modes, I think it would have outsold the PS3 version handily, and now CoD 5 would be doing much better than it currently is.



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ph4nt said:
PS3 and 360 built up the COD franchise with modern warfare allowing the 5th one to sell easily, The Wii has to do that now with World at War (which it is doing, but it's still a watered down version of the ps360 version).

I don't think it's an issue with the graphics or the console userbase, it's the decisions from the 3rd parties not building up the fanbase on Wii, had CoD 4 been released on Wii without gimped online modes, I think it would have outsold the PS3 version handily, and now CoD 5 would be doing much better than it currently is.

 

 So it's the developer's fault then, they had a market on Wii with COD 3, but let it slip through their fingers with COD 4.

I wonder if there's still time to recover, or if FPS gamers have moved on.



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It's cause the controller on Wii sucks for FPS.



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(Predicted on 5/31/11) END of 2011 Sales - Xbox 360 = 62M;  PS3 = 59M;  Wii = 97M

frybread said:
ph4nt said:
PS3 and 360 built up the COD franchise with modern warfare allowing the 5th one to sell easily, The Wii has to do that now with World at War (which it is doing, but it's still a watered down version of the ps360 version).

I don't think it's an issue with the graphics or the console userbase, it's the decisions from the 3rd parties not building up the fanbase on Wii, had CoD 4 been released on Wii without gimped online modes, I think it would have outsold the PS3 version handily, and now CoD 5 would be doing much better than it currently is.

 

 So it's the developer's fault then, they had a market on Wii with COD 3, but let it slip through their fingers with COD 4.

I wonder if there's still time to recover, or if FPS gamers have moved on.

Look, you game on the Wii and the PC, right?

I game on the Wii and the 360.

Yes, we both know that the particular motion controls allowed by the Wii makes for better experiences in certain genres and the IR pointing makes it into a dream for FPS games.

But.

You and I also both know that there was never a huge "FPS" crowd in the first place. The dedicated FPS fans on consoles all played Halo until CoD4 came out, at which point the genre was expanded in the context of HD gaming.

They're still all on the HD consoles and the PC.

The Wii's FPS install base will continue to grow, of course it will, it can't do anything else, but the momentum for the genre on the HD consoles is, as of right now, irreversible.



^@Zomb1337, Eh no it doesn't. For Red Steel, yes, but for MP3:C, and MoH:H2, it was fantastic. If only other companies would follow. Wii FPS's should be made like Corruption, which imo destroyed analogue.

And @ topic, I didn't think Wii had that much of an FPS userbase anyways and I would say it's going up, not down.




                           

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Zomb1337 said:
It's cause the controller on Wii sucks for FPS.

 

Keep trolling and we might have to remove a kidney.



frybread said:

 

So it's the developer's fault then, they had a market on Wii with COD 3, but let it slip through their fingers with COD 4.

I wonder if there's still time to recover, or if FPS gamers have moved on.

 

Like I said, check how Conduit does for your answer.

 



Sometimes, threads appear that ask questions that seem so obvious, I suspect they must be rhetorical. Why is the Wii selling so well? Is the classic one here on VGC, as if the obvious answer of "because people like it and want to play games on it" isn't satisfactory.

Obvious answer time: this is a series that exploded with Call of Duty 4. It is still the most highly regarded iteration of the series by a wide margin. That version of the game did not exist on the Wii. It would be like giving Nintendo systems GTA 1, GTA 2, but not GTAIII/VC/SA/IV, and then being surprised that the system seems to have fallen behind in GTA sales once GTAV hits. Of course it has! This should be obvious! Any GTA fans that picked the Nintendo console would have long since moved over.

That's the situation the Wii is in. It's not a bad platform for shooters, it's just that every company in existance spent a gazillion dollars establishing the shooter fanbase on the PS3/360. Whether that was a financially savvy move or not is no longer relevant: what's done is done. It would be stupid to now spend another gazillion dollars to convince the PS3/360 fans that the new "king" of shooters is the Wii.



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Good point. MS and Sony pumped millions and millions into FPS franchises. Nintendo didn't.

It's like how PS1 conceded the platformer to N64, and went off and excelled in other areas, like cinematic action and rpg games.  Or how DS conceded sports to the PSP.

I'm just confused because I believe Wii's hardware is superior for the genre, but oh well.  I'll jump on the Conduit bandwagon I guess :)



PC + Wii owners unite.  Our last-gen dying platforms have access to nearly every 90+ rated game this gen.  Building a PC that visually outperforms PS360 is cheap and easy.    Oct 7th 2010 predictions (made Dec 17th '08)
PC: 10^9
Wii: 10^8

Khuutra said:
frybread said:
ph4nt said:
PS3 and 360 built up the COD franchise with modern warfare allowing the 5th one to sell easily, The Wii has to do that now with World at War (which it is doing, but it's still a watered down version of the ps360 version).

I don't think it's an issue with the graphics or the console userbase, it's the decisions from the 3rd parties not building up the fanbase on Wii, had CoD 4 been released on Wii without gimped online modes, I think it would have outsold the PS3 version handily, and now CoD 5 would be doing much better than it currently is.

 

 So it's the developer's fault then, they had a market on Wii with COD 3, but let it slip through their fingers with COD 4.

I wonder if there's still time to recover, or if FPS gamers have moved on.

Look, you game on the Wii and the PC, right?

I game on the Wii and the 360.

Yes, we both know that the particular motion controls allowed by the Wii makes for better experiences in certain genres and the IR pointing makes it into a dream for FPS games.

But.

You and I also both know that there was never a huge "FPS" crowd in the first place. The dedicated FPS fans on consoles all played Halo until CoD4 came out, at which point the genre was expanded in the context of HD gaming.

They're still all on the HD consoles and the PC.

The Wii's FPS install base will continue to grow, of course it will, it can't do anything else, but the momentum for the genre on the HD consoles is, as of right now, irreversible.

This is essentially what I'm arguing. Guys, it's not a question of whether the Wii is a good platform for shooters. It could be the best platform in the world, and that wouldn't matter now. The point is that virtually every major publisher in the world has spent ridiculous amounts of money helping establish the shooter fanbase on the PS3/360, and now that's where obssessive shooter fans are. It's not relevant whether this was a good or bad move on a financial level: whether it was or not, it's already done, and undoing it would mean spending another gazillion dollars needlessly convincing PS3/360 fans to abandon their system and switch to the Wii to play shooters.

I want you to think of all the money third parties have spent establishing the fan base on the PS3/360: Gears, Rainbow 6, GRAW, CoD4, Halo (Bungie is third party now, after all), Bioshock, Team Fortress 2, Half Life 2, Portal, Left 4 Dead, The Darkness, Grand Theft Auto 4, Saint's Row, Lost Planet, Far Cry 2.

There's like a quite a few more, but you see the point I'm making? Look how long that list of games is, and every one is an expensive, big budget shooter. Look at how forcefully this genre has been pushed on the HD consoles! The gazillion dollars have already been spent, guys. It's too late to go back.



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