This sounded ... bad.
I'm more curious as to how it became a PS3 exclusive? A stylish head covering made of expensive paper?
exindguy said:
Actually, knowing honest-to-God service people (clearly, unlike you), no, they don't actually sit around and bash Bush nor do they spend an inordinate amount of time questioning what they, by and large, feel is a just mission. Believe it or not, the vast majority of service people are actually pro-Bush (poll after poll has demonstrated this, as has the vast majority of hte military vote going to Bush and then McCain) and they, like most everyone else that isn't suffering advanced Bush Derangement Syndrome, don't spend their time coming up with the latest (and lamest yet) monkey joke--jokes that, if they were ever funny, stopped being so around, oh, 2004--they spend their time like the rest of us: playing, talking about women, working out, talking about their families, home, etc. So congratulations on your smug self-righteousness: now that Bush is out of office you'll have to find some other target at which to direct your inchoate rage--I suggest pointing it at the comedian in the mirror, for starters.
You'd only like to see it as long as it's skewering that with which you disagree. And the reason you don't see it is because it's a great way to alienate vast swaths of your potential audience. And if you want to see some political 'humor', there's "Hail to the Chimp" and "Area 51", both of which are pretty lousy games undergirded by lots of crude, idiotic humor.
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Actually I do know some service people. I met a bunch of them in Seoul over NewYears. And they loved Bush. They also told me that They don't like Asian women because they don't shave their Snatches and that they hate those fucking niggars. Of course I would never take the thoughts and words of a few people and assign them to an entire group, because that's wrong.
I would also not assume (nor did I in my post) that they would spend all their time sitting around bashing bush and questioning their mission. Did I say anywhere in that post that they wouldn't play and talk about women? They're people. A large bunch of people, and large bunches of people have different opinions and views. And yes exindguy, some of those views are not very Friendly to Bush.
Again, we can not know what these Bush comments would be, as this is not the game that got made, but we do know that there are service people who have said some very awful things about Bush. Perhaps some of these comments (and I think it's safe to say that the game revolved around missions, and not the conversations they'd have in their bunks at night) would be basic insults during missions, or perhaps, since this guy did say they wanted to be quite adult on the political side, delved in to specific issues. Maybe during an ambush, someone comments on how they really could have used those heavy armored vehicles Bush promised (remember that controversy about how the troops weren't receiving enough heavy armored vehicles?), or maybe we might have overheard someone pissed off that they'd been stop gapped (and there sure were a lot of people pissed off over that one).
See exindguy, I'm not assigning an ideology or political affiliation to a large group of people (like you are). I'm merely acknowledging that if a game were to seriously look at the Iraq War, any game in which you didn't hear at least someone make a criticism of the president would be an inherently flawed look at said war.
And finally, if you MUST to misinterpret my post, at least don't turn in to a jackass about it with a finisher like this
So congratulations on your smug self-righteousness: now that Bush is out of office you'll have to find some other target at which to direct your inchoate rage--I suggest pointing it at the comedian in the mirror, for starters.
Because now you just sound like an idiot.
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From the title I was kinda expecting the excuse to be that they were forced to make it more casual. That would've been kinda lame, but executive meddling sounds very likely in this case.
Apparently when Haze was first devised it didn't suck either. I am so happy that Free Radical went the way of the Dodo bird, another western fps company bites the dust, who's next? lulz.
stof said:
Actually I do know some service people. I met a bunch of them in Seoul over NewYears. And they loved Bush. They also told me that They don't like Asian women because they don't shave their Snatches and that they hate those fucking niggars. Of course I would never take the thoughts and words of a few people and assign them to an entire group, because that's wrong. I would also not assume (nor did I in my post) that they would spend all their time sitting around bashing bush and questioning their mission. Did I say anywhere in that post that they wouldn't play and talk about women? They're people. A large bunch of people, and large bunches of people have different opinions and views. And yes exindguy, some of those views are not very Friendly to Bush. Again, we can not know what these Bush comments would be, as this is not the game that got made, but we do know that there are service people who have said some very awful things about Bush. Perhaps some of these comments (and I think it's safe to say that the game revolved around missions, and not the conversations they'd have in their bunks at night) would be basic insults during missions, or perhaps, since this guy did say they wanted to be quite adult on the political side, delved in to specific issues. Maybe during an ambush, someone comments on how they really could have used those heavy armored vehicles Bush promised (remember that controversy about how the troops weren't receiving enough heavy armored vehicles?), or maybe we might have overheard someone pissed off that they'd been stop gapped (and there sure were a lot of people pissed off over that one). See exindguy, I'm not assigning an ideology or political affiliation to a large group of people (like you are). I'm merely acknowledging that if a game were to seriously look at the Iraq War, any game in which you didn't hear at least someone make a criticism of the president would be an inherently flawed look at said war.
And finally, if you MUST to misinterpret my post, at least don't turn in to a jackass about it with a finisher like this So congratulations on your smug self-righteousness: now that Bush is out of office you'll have to find some other target at which to direct your inchoate rage--I suggest pointing it at the comedian in the mirror, for starters. Because now you just sound like an idiot.
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I thought his closing comment was fine. Your zinger of calling him an "idiot," now that was really ingenious. A direct, unimaginative, superficial insult is always the way to combat criticism.
I also like how you back away from your original post. In you second post you finish your response with "I'm merely acknowledging that if a game were to seriously look at the Iraq War, any game in which you didn't hear at least someone make a criticism of the president would be an inherently flawed look at said war. "
Poor little you, being misinterpreted, yet you fail to recall the witty (I use the term loosely) suggestion about what you might have wanted to see in the game: "Of course, if the game itself wanted to bash bush (with comical speeches by an idiot baboon manchild)... Well that would have been pretty awesome too."I'll take you words at face value here, realizing that this could have been a lame attempt at sarcasm, though your tone throughout your posts indicate otherwise.
So you request a "serious" examination of the Iraq War, but wouldn't mind the President in said examination to be an "idiotic baboon manchild" that made "comical speeches." Is that about right? Please, do tell.
| stof said: So Free Radical, an amazing FPS dev intended to make an FPS that dealt with a current crisis with political overtones. A game like that could have been huge. Would have been huge. Instead, the company had to deal with delays and redesigns and release an FPS that looked like most other Futuristic shooters. So Ubisoft killed Free Radical. Damn you Ubisoft. And to everyone who is saying "Bush Bashing is stupid"... In your game set in the current Iraq war, what would the banter between soldiers sound like? "I sometimes contemplate if this policy was in the best interest of my nation. But in a time of war we should not doubt our commander in chief." A game about the Iraq war with realistic dialogue would have people bashing bush in it. And yes, that's different than the game bashing bush. Of course, if the game itself wanted to bash bush (with comical speeches by an idiot baboon manchild)... Well that would have been pretty awesome too. |
You made a whole lot of assumptions with this post. If there was a draft, then maybe you'd a case. But there isn't one.
So wait... was the soldier originally going to betray the US and fight for the insurgents that used to work under iraq?
Yeah that would of went over much better...
I mean what... were we going to find out that he didn't really massivly execute and torture people?
Well, when you have a deal with a publisher you need to respect it.
Anyway, I don't really like the idea of a game about an ongoing conflict. Also, I hope you all realize that making a game that is "anti-Bush" could be damageable for the image for the french company that is Ubisoft. Don't forget that Ubisoft makes half their money on casual and educational games.
How many cups of darkness have I drank over the years? Even I don't know...
they should just admitt that they made a game that was buggy and just average at best.
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