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badgenome on 21 January 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
I did not say the idea of a multiple disc bluray game was doable or even needed at this time. You people love to take what I say out of context. I said Multiple BD discs, trumps multiple DVD discs. Meaning no matter how you slice it BD allows "MORE GAME" for your buck.

if FFXIII filled a 50gb disc, that is about 4-6 dvd discs for 360 which is stupid. MS charges for every extra disc you make for a game. That doesn't even include the cost FOR the disc. Not to mention that the game would have to be compressed which then means loss of quality or certain things would have to go.

False.

 



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ShadowSoldier on 21 January 2009
badgenome said:
forevercloud3000 said:
I did not say the idea of a multiple disc bluray game was doable or even needed at this time. You people love to take what I say out of context. I said Multiple BD discs, trumps multiple DVD discs. Meaning no matter how you slice it BD allows "MORE GAME" for your buck.

if FFXIII filled a 50gb disc, that is about 4-6 dvd discs for 360 which is stupid. MS charges for every extra disc you make for a game. That doesn't even include the cost FOR the disc. Not to mention that the game would have to be compressed which then means loss of quality or certain things would have to go.

False.

 

 

Actually I think thats true. im not sure (N4G or Gaf) where but I can remember reading that MS charges a fee for Dev's using extra discs for the 360.



Black Women Are The Most Beautiful Women On The Planet.

"In video game terms, RPGs are games that involve a form of separate battles taking place with a specialized battle system and the use of a system that increases your power through a form of points.

Sure, what you say is the definition, but the connotation of RPGs is what they are in video games." - dtewi

badgenome on 21 January 2009
ShadowSoldier said:
badgenome said:
forevercloud3000 said:
I did not say the idea of a multiple disc bluray game was doable or even needed at this time. You people love to take what I say out of context. I said Multiple BD discs, trumps multiple DVD discs. Meaning no matter how you slice it BD allows "MORE GAME" for your buck.

if FFXIII filled a 50gb disc, that is about 4-6 dvd discs for 360 which is stupid. MS charges for every extra disc you make for a game. That doesn't even include the cost FOR the disc. Not to mention that the game would have to be compressed which then means loss of quality or certain things would have to go.

False.

 

 

Actually I think thats true. im not sure (N4G or Gaf) where but I can remember reading that MS charges a fee for Dev's using extra discs for the 360.

Tim Willits says no.

"Microsoft is not being dickheads," he said. "It was a simple kind of miscommunication. Microsoft does not charge a royalty per disc, but there is a cost of goods that goes along with manufacturing."

 



ShadowSoldier on 21 January 2009
badgenome said:
forevercloud3000 said:
I did not say the idea of a multiple disc bluray game was doable or even needed at this time. You people love to take what I say out of context. I said Multiple BD discs, trumps multiple DVD discs. Meaning no matter how you slice it BD allows "MORE GAME" for your buck.

if FFXIII filled a 50gb disc, that is about 4-6 dvd discs for 360 which is stupid. MS charges for every extra disc you make for a game. That doesn't even include the cost FOR the disc. Not to mention that the game would have to be compressed which then means loss of quality or certain things would have to go.

False.

 

"While discussing the difference between developing games for the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360, Carmack admitted that he wants hardcore id fans to help influence Microsoft's business practices. He also confirmed something that was hinted at in yesterday's news that Rage will be squeezed onto two DVDs: Microsoft charges developers more to publish games on multiple discs for their system. Carmack speculates quite logically that this is probably due to Microsoft not wanting to look bad next to the significant storage capabilities of the PS3's Blu-ray disc technology."

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112


 



Black Women Are The Most Beautiful Women On The Planet.

"In video game terms, RPGs are games that involve a form of separate battles taking place with a specialized battle system and the use of a system that increases your power through a form of points.

Sure, what you say is the definition, but the connotation of RPGs is what they are in video games." - dtewi

ShadowSoldier on 21 January 2009

My bad didnt see your post

 

EDIT: Read the article I would say that manufacturing cost seems like a hidden fee almost.



Black Women Are The Most Beautiful Women On The Planet.

"In video game terms, RPGs are games that involve a form of separate battles taking place with a specialized battle system and the use of a system that increases your power through a form of points.

Sure, what you say is the definition, but the connotation of RPGs is what they are in video games." - dtewi

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saicho on 21 January 2009

The Tim Willits was published after the Carmack article to clarify the misunderstanding of the issue in Carmack article.



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

forevercloud3000 on 21 January 2009
ShadowSoldier said:
badgenome said:
forevercloud3000 said:
I did not say the idea of a multiple disc bluray game was doable or even needed at this time. You people love to take what I say out of context. I said Multiple BD discs, trumps multiple DVD discs. Meaning no matter how you slice it BD allows "MORE GAME" for your buck.

if FFXIII filled a 50gb disc, that is about 4-6 dvd discs for 360 which is stupid. MS charges for every extra disc you make for a game. That doesn't even include the cost FOR the disc. Not to mention that the game would have to be compressed which then means loss of quality or certain things would have to go.

False.

 

"While discussing the difference between developing games for the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360, Carmack admitted that he wants hardcore id fans to help influence Microsoft's business practices. He also confirmed something that was hinted at in yesterday's news that Rage will be squeezed onto two DVDs: Microsoft charges developers more to publish games on multiple discs for their system. Carmack speculates quite logically that this is probably due to Microsoft not wanting to look bad next to the significant storage capabilities of the PS3's Blu-ray disc technology."

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112


 

^this

 

 



      

      

      

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badgenome on 21 January 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
ShadowSoldier said:
badgenome said:
forevercloud3000 said:
I did not say the idea of a multiple disc bluray game was doable or even needed at this time. You people love to take what I say out of context. I said Multiple BD discs, trumps multiple DVD discs. Meaning no matter how you slice it BD allows "MORE GAME" for your buck.

if FFXIII filled a 50gb disc, that is about 4-6 dvd discs for 360 which is stupid. MS charges for every extra disc you make for a game. That doesn't even include the cost FOR the disc. Not to mention that the game would have to be compressed which then means loss of quality or certain things would have to go.

False.

 

"While discussing the difference between developing games for the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360, Carmack admitted that he wants hardcore id fans to help influence Microsoft's business practices. He also confirmed something that was hinted at in yesterday's news that Rage will be squeezed onto two DVDs: Microsoft charges developers more to publish games on multiple discs for their system. Carmack speculates quite logically that this is probably due to Microsoft not wanting to look bad next to the significant storage capabilities of the PS3's Blu-ray disc technology."

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169112


 

^this

 

 

No. This.

 



BengaBenga on 21 January 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
badgenome said:

forevercloud 3000 said:

The Wii also uses an outdated format just like the 360 meaning shorter RPGs(which is an oxymoron of what JRPGs are suppose to be. And please don't say multiple discs because a multiple bluray disc game trumps a multiple dvd disc game anyday).

Uh... so DVD is outdated because Sony sez so? Can you imagine the budget of a multiple disc Blu-ray game? Exponentially higher development costs, yet the game would sell about as many copies as any other JRPG (i.e. not that many).

One who knows nothing can understand nothing, indeed.

 

No, not because Sony says so. It is because BluRay is indisputably superior to DVD. When something comes out that does what you do better then you then yes, you are outdated.

Refer to my previous posts on Multiple BD discs. You guys love to take one example and run with it.

You really need to quit the BS.

The only benefit BD has is the storage, but for someone that has cloud in his sig disc-swapping shouldn't be an issue. Sure multiple discs increase the production costs, but you forget that BD is much more expensive to manufacture and has higher royalty costs.

Besides that DVD has (atm) faster read speeds, so there's no need for the mandatory game installs we see on PS3 or to have the same data on the disc twice.

 



Onyxmeth on 21 January 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
Onyxmeth said:

Firstly did I ever mention anything about Wii, DS, or PSP in this thread? NO? Yet I did mention PS3 and 360. Why is that? Maybe it is because these are the only systems out right now with the capability of what is seen as HD gaming. All other alternatives are not what this discussion is about yet some keep bringing up the Wii as if that changes the matter at hand. My thread never implies that PS3/360 JRPG sales trump the Wii's, far from it. Yet the Wii is not a direct competitor of the HD consoles. It cannot do many of the things they do, or at least not to their standard.

This is irrelevant to a sales discussion. The Wii can support RPGs because of lower development costs and equal sales at minimum, but better sales most likely. Just because you would prefer there to be an HD market for RPGs does not make it a good financial decision. The Xbox was more powerful than the PS2 last generation and it got zero RPGs. Why? Because the only market that could sustain RPGs was the PS2 on consoles and the GBA on handhelds. Now I'm saying the 360 and PS3 combined are the equivalent of giving RPGs to the Gamecube and Xbox, and the Wii is the PS2. People brought up the Wii because they like looking at the market in it's entirety, not in some fictitious bubble like you're trying to. Grow up and spend some more time in the Sales Discussion forum. You need the exposure.

So are you saying that FFXIII is held in the same respect as Jeanne D'Arc? That when these games are reviewed the reviewer will mark down Jeanne D'Arc for not having the same level of graphics? No, because that is crazy talk. The PSP can't generate PS3/360 capabilities so it should not be compared with such games, thats not fair. THe Wii is no different. The Wii is working on PS2 1.5 tech. When a game does not look as graphically pleasing on the Wii we do not hold it against it as we do a PS3/360 game. That means we also cannot hold the fact that Wii JRPGs have sold better then the HD ones.

No I'm not saying Jeanne d'Arc is held in the same respect as FF XIII. Maybe that's because one is Final Fantasy though. Here's your scenario flipped on it's head. If Jeanne d'Arc was a nice pretty HD game and Final Fantasy XIII was a lowly PSP game, which do you think would have more "respect"? Oh wait that's right...STILL FINAL FANTASY XIII! The series is what garners it the respect, not the platform it's on. Try again.

Also the Wii is entirely comparable sales wise to HD consoles while still not being comparable hardware wise. It's ridiculous to think otherwise. The Wii and DS being as successful as they are is exactly the reason why they now have control over Dragon Quest, you know that other big JRPG series? It's because Square considers ALL options and not just the HD ones. That's what's called leaving the bubble.

And yes I was one of those guys "bitching" about FFXIII's betrayal. What does that or the fact that I have a FFVII avatar have to do with anything? Does it change the validity of my opinion? NO. FFXIII was being boasted as "going to use all of the PS3's power" etc. This was not intitiated by the fans, but by the developers. They said they were doing that. It is virtually impossible to to create a game on PS3 that uses a 50gb disc, full Cell potential, and of the highest graphical quality, that can also be done on the 360. IMPOSSIBLE! SE said that the games will be IDENTICAL. 360 cannot replicate 50gb of storage, that means they must be making the PS3 version replicate the 360's storage capacity instead. This alone means that SE LIED about what was being put into the PS3 version, in return, the game is not what they promised it would be. Multiplats prove one thing, that they could have done better with the PS3 version. THis is my personal take on the matter, and I made a point of not including that into my claim. I only brought this up because you took it there.

The developers lied to you buddy. Take a history lesson. No console game has ever used "all the power" in the middle of the generation. Late generation games always have the potential to look better because of the experience of developers on that console. Final Fantasy is no exception. FF III looked better than FF I in the NES days. FF VI looked better than FF IV in the SNES days. FF IX looked better than FF VII in the PSOne days. FF XII looked better than FF X in the PS2 days. But go on and believe what they tell you. That's like admitting the PS3 can get nothing substantially better looking after FF XIII because the console has been pushed to it's max already.

SUPPOSEDLY multiplatform is the way to go this gen. I personally do not believe it but whatever. I think MP is a fad that needs to die. Yet I am told I am wrong for thinking this. So when I developed this thread I take in account. If FFXIII, one of the best selling JRPG series, found the need to be MP, why haven't much smaller and less visible JRPGs found the need to do so as well. MS SUPPOSEDLY does not moneyhat these companies, so that means no extra incentive to go there. 360 lacks the JRPG fanbase to be of any use to a JRPG developer. Why are these comapanies ONLY putting certain games on THAT system. Look at The Last Remnant, the shining example of this flip floppy belief. The game is MP......yet it came out on 360 first. FFXIII, a game that was previously exclusive to PS3 turned MP, and it has to come out at the same time as it's 360 counterpart(o yes, it is true. SE can lie all they want about it but this game should be coming out in Q409)?!?! WTF?

If you don't even believe mutliplatform is the way to go, then why are you even arguing? No wonder you have no idea what you're talking about and are bunching up different arguements into one topic. Even you think you're wrong! Now that's funny!

One or more of these SUPPOSED truths is not.....but you didn't hear that from me.

The only thing flip flopping is the MP argument and that is not my doing.

 

 



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