Strategyking92 said: I was laughing on the inside because of it It was like a big "f*ck you, atheists!" when the preacher started praying. And since obama is one of the most liberal presidents in a long time, this made it even all the more funny! BTW, everyone who said you are an athiest, that's kind of depressing.

Well he is very religious despite being very liberal.  He does plan to greatly expand Bush's funding of churches and other religious orginizations with government money... that and his constant talk of god made him threaten a lot of evangelical votes despite his pro-life stance.

I mean the vast majority of our Presidents weren't really religious at all....

I mean the most religious are probably Obama and Bush Senior...

and like a couple of the earlier ones that weren't Free Masons.  (Of which there are like  14-18.  I mean... being a freemason doesn't exclude one from being religious... but they were very open about accepting all religions.)

Oh... and Jimmy "History's Greatest Monster" Carter.

Hopefully Obama does better then the other really religious presidents. I can't think of one that was really successful.

Kasz216 said: Strategyking92 said: I was laughing on the inside because of it It was like a big "f*ck you, atheists!" when the preacher started praying. And since obama is one of the most liberal presidents in a long time, this made it even all the more funny! BTW, everyone who said you are an athiest, that's kind of depressing. Well he is very religious despite being very liberal. I mean the vast majority of our Presidents weren't really religious at all.... I mean the most religious are probably Obama and Bush Senior... and like a couple of the earlier ones that weren't Free Masons.  (Of which there are like  14-18.  I mean... being a freemason doesn't exclude one from being religious... but they were very open about accepting all religions.)

While I'm sure most presidents acted more religious than they actually were, and were open to other religious ideas, it doesn't exclude them from being christian. A notable exclusion is James Buchanon, who was probably gay. I have no evidence to back this up, BTW

I have never really thought of the presidency as a christian duty though, as long as they do a good job, it doesn't matter.

Strategyking92 said: I was laughing on the inside because of it It was like a big "f*ck you, atheists!" when the preacher started praying. And since obama is one of the most liberal presidents in a long time, this made it even all the more funny! BTW, everyone who said you are an athiest, that's kind of depressing.

I dunno... I wouldn't be feeling depressed, especially since on average atheists make 10% more money than religious types. I find it far more depressing for someone to be blindly believing in something because others told them about it than not....

Strategyking92 said: Kasz216 said: Strategyking92 said: I was laughing on the inside because of it It was like a big "f*ck you, atheists!" when the preacher started praying. And since obama is one of the most liberal presidents in a long time, this made it even all the more funny! BTW, everyone who said you are an athiest, that's kind of depressing. Well he is very religious despite being very liberal. I mean the vast majority of our Presidents weren't really religious at all.... I mean the most religious are probably Obama and Bush Senior... and like a couple of the earlier ones that weren't Free Masons.  (Of which there are like  14-18.  I mean... being a freemason doesn't exclude one from being religious... but they were very open about accepting all religions.)     While I'm sure most presidents acted more religious than they actually were, and were open to other religious ideas, it doesn't exclude them from being christian. A notable exclusion is James Buchanon, who was probably gay. I have no evidence to back this up, BTW I have never really thought of the presidency as a christian duty though, as long as they do a good job, it doesn't matter.

Oh i didn't say they weren't Christians.  Just they were "average" Christians.

The go to church weekly, haven't read the bible since sunday school types.

Though a few of them did seem fairly unreligious... or just not christian

Like Abraham Lincoln... who was a Deist... who occasionally though rarely went to church with his wife.  So everyone calls him a methodist.

There was another who went to church... but the thing was... he went to different churches of different demoninations... talking about which ones he found most enjoyable.  It was more a show to him then anything else.

Overall strong christian morals usually get in the way of "what's good for the country."

I mean the perfect Christian after 9-11 for example would of did absolutely nothing.  Not invade afghanistan or anything.

I mean that's why Jimmy Carter is seen as such a bad president.  He was too nice of a guy.

Atheist

vlad321 said: Strategyking92 said: I was laughing on the inside because of it It was like a big "f*ck you, atheists!" when the preacher started praying. And since obama is one of the most liberal presidents in a long time, this made it even all the more funny! BTW, everyone who said you are an athiest, that's kind of depressing.   I dunno... I wouldn't be feeling depressed, especially since on average atheists make 10% more money than religious types. I find it far more depressing for someone to be blindly believing in something because others told them about it than not....

I meant it's kind of depressing for me. And there's no need to be an asshole.

I am a christian. I believe in the christian god. I sin. I'm a fucking human being. I listen to metal, judas preist, black sabbath. I do not blindly follow, I have reasons.

But since you decided to be an asshole:

IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO GIVE ATHEISTS A BAD NAME. You know what I'm talking about. The viewpoint that religious people are the idiotic simpletons, and atheists are king because they believe in only science. Well, I've had experiences, and if you choose to only beleive in science when science cannot explain everything, go ahead. I do not care, but if you dare insult religion, or christianity itself, you better say it to somebodies  face. Right now all you are is a coward.

vlad321 said: Strategyking92 said: I was laughing on the inside because of it It was like a big "f*ck you, atheists!" when the preacher started praying. And since obama is one of the most liberal presidents in a long time, this made it even all the more funny! BTW, everyone who said you are an athiest, that's kind of depressing.   I dunno... I wouldn't be feeling depressed, especially since on average atheists make 10% more money than religious types. I find it far more depressing for someone to be blindly believing in something because others told them about it than not....

And they donate a lot less to charity and spend less time volenteering.  So your average atheist is really rolling in dough and freetime.

Strategyking92 said: vlad321 said: Strategyking92 said: I was laughing on the inside because of it It was like a big "f*ck you, atheists!" when the preacher started praying. And since obama is one of the most liberal presidents in a long time, this made it even all the more funny! BTW, everyone who said you are an athiest, that's kind of depressing.   I dunno... I wouldn't be feeling depressed, especially since on average atheists make 10% more money than religious types. I find it far more depressing for someone to be blindly believing in something because others told them about it than not....   I meant it's kind of depressing for me. And there's no need to be an asshole.   I am a christian. I believe in the christian god. I sin. I'm a fucking human being. I listen to metal, judas preist, black sabbath. I do not blindly follow, I have reasons. But since you decided to be an asshole:     IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO GIVE ATHEISTS A BAD NAME. You know what I'm talking about. The viewpoint that religious people are the idiotic simpletons, and atheists are king because they believe in only science. Well, I've had experiences, and if you choose to only beleive in science when science cannot explain everything, go ahead. I do not care, but if you dare insult religion, or christianity itself, you better say it to somebodies face. Right now all you are is a coward.

Wait... I'm the asshole here.... I'm sorry but I didn't start off with "i feel sorry and sad for people who have differnet beliefs than mine." That was you and you are exactly the person who gives religious people a bad name.

And yes, religion is horrible. It is THE greatest divisive force in the world, and also the most powerful tool in ctolrolling millions at a time. It is a tool, and nothing more. A tool for the people who know how to use it to control those millions. It is like a literal cancer upon the world, destroying it from within by causing some of the greatest conflicts in history. Basically, the world would have been far better off without religion. And it's not religion, it's blind faith of ANY sort. Religion just happens to be the most widespread blind faith. Marx put it best "Religion is opium for the masses."

And you just keep proving me right.
I was feeling sympathetic, it's human compassion!

EDIT: and I'm pretty sure the people who give christians a bad name are organizations such as the KKK.