Fair enough i get it know we arguing different points which i have done before today maybe because i am tired i dont know anyway.

14.87million for GT3 my god thats good what was the userbase then? 10.85million wow thats good too for GT and i know GT4 went down quite far from GT3 but it seems that GT sells more than 10million with every odd number version so hope for GT5.MarioKart64 9.87million is good aswell.

All i said was that one nintendo's first party game actually stopped the videogame indusrty from dying. If that isn't a good game than I don't know what is.

Spot on! I had a launch ps2 and people were doom saying that as well. It was expensive, no games and who needs dvd. Problem is Sony is always thinking future and to me that is good. MS should of learnt this (instead of rushing out) and now they have embarrassed themselves buy adding more extras to their sku.

If you think BD is not going to be needed or is not going to take off? Well every time I go to blockbuster the Blu-ray collection is getting bigger (I'm in Australia - it isn't as big as the USA or Europe for BD yet). So that tells me it's going to impact.

Also people should know that Sony has a strategy. Why be the winner of Now. It don't mean shit. It's how you finish the race. All I see is cocky 360 fans saying the 360 the best and unstoppable and Wii fan boys that are so cocky now they think that Nintendo games are the best games ever created (they are the same as I played as a kid). Oh and casuals - If they do become gamers I bet you they will look at real games on the ps3 or 360. The Wii will always be a second choice console for most consumers imho.

I have faith in Sony and I know they have the foresight and the long term strategy that will win them the long term goal. 360 is almost dead (Halo, Geowars etc prolly the climax) and the Wii will soon run out of steam. Ps3 is just starting and soon ppl will realize this. Either way Sony will win the next gen because it will offer the most quality, reliability, and the leader of the last gen user base. Which is massive.

Except the PS2 cost $300 dollars, not $600. And how is the long term going to benefit a console that has chased away the consumer and third party developer early on handing over the lead to someone else. Please show me an instance in any generation past where this well-wishing strategy of yours for the Ps3 has ever happened. Developers and Consumers aren't going to just suddenly wake up one day and say, "hey, the PS3 has had better graphics for four years, we should support that now, good thing they planned ahead with good graphics, we obviously only thought graphics were going to get worse over time, never mind that all the games are now on the Wii and 360." This asinine theory that Sony somehow planned for the long term investment is just ludicrous and completely unfounded. All they did was create a console that shot itself in the foot early on by being too big too soon simply to try and bully the competition with short sighted tactics of shock and awe via its graphical superiority.

Your sheer willingness to think the PS3 is in any way like the PS2 is proof enough of your desperation to think everything will be just fine. Now you're reduced to making up theories that simply just let you sleep at night and the more long term the theory the better because the longer it will take for them to be proven wrong.

I realize such words may not be prudent for a Sony forum and the PS3 may in fact not be doomed, but you seriously need to wake up and start putting together some more realistic / palatable theories about how it's going to happen because this long term graphical investment theory of yours is the worst since people started comparing consoles to luxury cars. Look at the stuff you're spewing out! Is this a Sony forum or a support group for PS3 owners.

Yo KBG29

Reading your opinion was really interesting and fun but is it possible to put this next time in a blog?

Placing your opinion in an multi console forum only makes some not PS3 fans happy and will say that your words are true also when they have no PS3.

And it will make some PS3 fans angry.

The last thing that people want is another thread that can become easy a flamebait thread.

PS: If you are going to write other things like this in an blog is it possible to send me a link of it?

Greetz

Konnichiwa

Translation:

This is the Sony forum and only good Sony news is allowed here. If we choose to be delusional on a public forum you do NOT have the right to shoot down our ridiculous and asinine theories of how PS3 will win the war because it failed to capture the market at launch and is destined to be the successor to PS2 without being anything like it. Any and all glimmers of truth are flamebait and we will not tolerate it! Do not post it here!

 Sorry that my experiences on this forum learned that making topics like this occusianaly ends with a lot of flame. I even made the stupid mistake to make an thread like this but about the Wii that was damned a lot of flame.

And yeah I don't deserve to say to KBG29 that he better not make threads about this especially when I did it myself but still I wanted to warn him.

And sorry in fact that I posted that only because I miss the first VG Chartz days where discussions were fun and not like now where discussions are almost always become an flame thread with comments that almost make no sense.

Greetz

Konnichiwa

I'm pretty sure Sporticus explained most of it but I'll continue. The PS3 is $600. The development cost is outrageous. It has a small userbase. The Wii is $250. It has a smaller development cost. It has the largest userbase (as of next week). I wonder what developers will develop for, a system that is expensive and minimal profit, or a system that's cheap and maximum profits. This is how the industry works. Games=Profit=Development=Games. PS3 broke got rid of the profit for 3rd parties. Therefore High Price=No 3rd parties=No Games=Failure. Don't say "Well Grand Theft Auto and Final Fantasy." They're going on PS3 because they can sell enough to make a profit. Why do you think mosts PS3 games are 1st party? Because 3rd parties CAN'T develop for it because they won't make a profit. Yet here you go out saying the PS3 will win anyway. And the PS2's success was because they introduced a price cut to take advantage of Microsoft and Nintendo's mistakes. Now Nintendo's taking advantage of Sony and Microsoft's mistakes yet you still think PS3's going to win because the Wii's going to "run out of steam." Let me tell you something, the casual market is far larger than the core market. I'm pretty sure that the DS proved that when people said THAT was going to run out of steam and it is still going strong. The Wii is capturing a new audience which will expand it sales to one of the greatest selling systems of all time while the PS3 will not reach mass market because they're aimed at a specific demograph, 12-18 year old males while nintendo is aimed at a much larger demograph. And unless Blu-Ray becomes a dominant format, which will be after the console war is finished and Blu-Ray's are cheaper than PS3's, the PS3 will not win this war.

/rant

The problem with the "flamebait" is that it's supposed to be inciting flames. For the most part it's the same 7 or 8 users on this forum that cry foul and troll in response to the non-existent "Wii Army" they swear everyone and their mother on this forum have joined.