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@CGI-Quality

At the entry level price the console would not have survived the first year. Thus Sony was forced to cut the price in many markets by a third. They did not do it, because they wanted to. They had no option either they had a radical price reduction or the console would have been one of those one year consoles that litter the console battle ground. The console did not do well for the price. It did well for having massive price cuts.



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Dryden said:
Dodece said:
@darthdevidem01

Most costly console ever released. The Neo Geo retailed for $650. Eighteen years ago. Factor in inflation, and you have substantially more expensive hardware. I am not saying that was the most expensive, but it most definitely defeats the PS3. Always be reticent about making wild generalizations, because that is how feet get lodged between teeth.

The Panasonic FZ-1 3DO was $699 at launch in 1993. If you adjusted the consoles of the past 30 years for inflation, the PS3 would actually cost less than the Atari 2600 did. The NES and SMS would both come out at around $365, and their games would be over $75 apiece!

It is strange how that $199-$249 barrier has persisted for 30 years, because the video game business has become a big-time/big-budget industry, but its economy hasn't scaled proportional to other entertainment fields. The games cost 100-times more to make than they did in 1985 but sell for 10-15% less.

Not really strange, the average price of computers have fallen over the years, especially laptops.



saxophonehero said:
darthdevidem01 said:
people just love to ignore the bad economy...coupled with much lower 360 price point coupled with PS360 consoles for the same market

as for 3rd party viability

we have been through this discussion

3rd party games for the 360 won't be viable without the Ps3 also present

 

yea i think people are in denial about the economy.

 

I think even more people are in denial about how long the bad economy will last.

The real irony is that I was saying how the PS3 would be drastically effected by the bad economy months ago. And there were rabid PS3 fans who insisted that would not happen.



CGI-Quality said:
@ Happy Squirrel
No, I think a $599.99 PS4 is suicide, and nobody will take Sony seriously ever again. And you are 100% correct that the brand has been hurt. Fortunately Happy, I don't believe that we'll see another $599.99 Playstation if Sony knows what's best for the brand, which one could argue, that this gen they forgot what's best for "Playstation".

@ Dodece
Regardless, my belief still stands that this could not have been done by another company. Sure, Sony HAD to drop the price to not tank the brand, but this is a learning experience coupled with bad PR/price/arrogance/much FIERCER competition than Sony ever imagined/AND the tumbling economy. All of those things factor into how the Playstation went from Cloud 9 to the Ocean floor. It's not just about it's price, even though, if the PS3 had remained $599.99 all this time, YES, it would most certainly have been the sinking ship it's now claimed to be. However, I don't think, should Sony start profiting on PS3 in 2009, that it's a sinking ship...ala The Gamecube - 3rd place profiting turns into 1st place goodness with the Fantastic (yes it's fantastic, and I love mine), Nintendo Wii. This is why Sega Saturn/Dreamcast were sinking ships and the N64/Gamecube were not: Profit!

I'd argue that they tried to take advantage of the Brand to support thier other sales initiatives.  And to that end I'd agree with you the Playstation brand name is (to some extent was) a super-powerful brand name and probably one of a very few that could make the mistakes they have and still be in contention to have a modicum of success this generation.

That being said, it's quite a shame we don't know what a blu-ray less 399.99 PS3 and a RROD-less 399.99 XBOX360 would have done this generation.  I honestly think those two factors (cost and reliability issues) have hurt the respective platforms the most.



It doesn't matter if it's bad economy or competitors offer lower price. It's never good to be down YOY while the competitors are up YOY during holiday season. It would be better if Sony is making money which is also not the case.

Investors are not going to care why Sony is doing bad. What's important to them is the results that PS3 is down YOY and Sony is losing money. Sony needs a new strategy for the current market, not just for PS3 but for the whole product lines.



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

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FishyJoe said:
saxophonehero said:
darthdevidem01 said:
people just love to ignore the bad economy...coupled with much lower 360 price point coupled with PS360 consoles for the same market

as for 3rd party viability

we have been through this discussion

3rd party games for the 360 won't be viable without the Ps3 also present

 

yea i think people are in denial about the economy.

 

I think even more people are in denial about how long the bad economy will last.

The real irony is that I was saying how the PS3 would be drastically effected by the bad economy months ago. And there were rabid PS3 fans who insisted that would not happen.

I guess it's doubly ironic that they are still denying it...

 



Love the product, not the company. They love your money, not you.

-TheRealMafoo

The problem Sony faces now, and it affects the coverage, is perception based on how it is doing in contrast to Microsoft in Nintendo in the home console business. It is more sensitive to this that Nintendo or Microsoft would be, because it was the top console maker last generation. The fact it fell to third, and is facing a stiff challenge to end up being even second due to it going up against Microsoft, doesn't help it. Sony's margins are must smaller, and anything that may take awhile to turn things around (Home) are judged within the initial few months.

And, in regards to people bashing this assessment, because UBS lost money, and thus the analyst who works for them must also be clueless, then using that reasoning everyone who posts here is also full of it because of predictions by the likes of CrazzyMan.



FishyJoe, supposing the worst case scenario for the PS3 doesn´t happen (discontinued), and making a 'guestimation' along with some logic, what do you think will be the worldwide sales numbers for the PS3 by the end of 2012?



colonelstubbs said:
Oh for christ sake, some people and their bias. Enough!

 

Oh common colonel.!! do you really think financial Analysist from UBS has a bias against Sony??

Do you really think he's an 360 or Wii fanboy with an personal agenda?



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JGarret said:
FishyJoe, supposing the worst case scenario for the PS3 doesn´t happen (discontinued), and making a 'guestimation' along with some logic, what do you think will be the worldwide sales numbers for the PS3 by the end of 2012?

There are just too many variables with unknown quantities to make any kind of reasonable prediction.