True up to a point. The point is Need for Speed was a very good game series and its sales go down since it became shitty, the same may be true for PES (never played it). And Singstar does what it does very good. Its a karaoke game. A very good Karaoke game even though you may think about Karaoke games whatever you want. This is different to Wii Music which is simply laughable when you watch it. I don't know what they tried to do with it but whatever it is I have empathy with the two million poor guys and girls who bought it. The conductor videos are almost unwatchable in their awfulness.

Kyros said: Wii Music which is simply laughable when you watch it.

 

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IGN's dismay reminds me of the reaction from the Vatican when research showed that Catholic women used birth control at exactly the same rate as everybody else. The Pope was apparently truly shocked and dismayed when he found out that when it came to this, women didn't really care what he thought.

sorry - double posting. The site seems glitchy tonight

Galaki said: Kyros said: Wii Music which is simply laughable when you watch it.   Underlined for emphasis.

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Kyros said: Need for Speed, PES 2008 (did they fix this one by patching eventually?) Star Wars, Singstar. True up to a point. The point is Need for Speed was a very good game series and its sales go down since it became shitty, the same may be true for PES (never played it). And Singstar does what it does very good. Its a karaoke game. A very good Karaoke game even though you may think about Karaoke games whatever you want. This is different to Wii Music which is simply laughable when you watch it. I don't know what they tried to do with it but whatever it is I have empathy with the two million poor guys and girls who bought it. The conductor videos are almost unwatchable in their awfulness.

That's why NFS is selling on brand name.

Wii Music is selling because Wii Sports and Fit are excellent games... in fact if it hadn't been for the horrid E3 presentation and media backlash I think it could have done a lot better. (but then more people would be buying it basd on brand, and then not liking it because they don't understand it)

I haven't bought a PES game either, but from what I can tell it was just 2008 (PS3 and 360) that were horrid versions of it... if a series is going to get regular updates so that it takes 2-3 games before a reasonable number of new ideas have been added to call it a new game, then it should at least be playable in technical terms, PES 2008 suffered really badly from fram rate issues and unless set up right, didn't look at all good on a TV (I saw one set up in a store, it looked horrid)

Singstar is one of the better arguments.... I am not a fan of the type of game in the same way I don't want Wii Fit or Nintendogs, but you said it well: It is good at what it is... it is a quality karaoke game. This is your problem when looking at Wii Music, it is a tool for learning various aspect of music creation, not a rhythm based guitar hero clone.... and at what it is, it does well, not perfect, but well.

Look at Alasteds videos for instance, his earlier ones were nice and imaginative but not so great on the ears, but he is much better now, with very few notes out of sequence in those videos above, with more time he could get the timing even better.

Hahaha. I bet they didn't like the game for it being too hard.

@Kyros: Interesting you mention Singstar as good game, for it sharing the exact same idea as Wii Music, only with the differece that Wii Music has a lot more options.

@OkeyDokey: That's because you haven't made the songs as your own rock songs (i persoally need a lot more practise, since so far i've got everything to sound like shit, except my Zelda tune with violin).

It's sad that IGN cares that much about wanting this game to have failed when so many other games have been far worse and no website or magazine has been that concerned. The game isn't for me and obviously many others but at the same time, it is for a lot of people. Why not let those people enjoy the game? It's not as if we're talking about ET for the Atari 2600 or Superman on the N64. People like this game and IGN and others should just let it be.

Grampy said: Zones said: --OkeyDokey-- said: Zones said: Good for you Nintendo fans, you all can enjoy looking at Nintendo's deep pocket while we actually enjoy playing games.   Some people enjoy playing Yankee Doodle and I'm a Little Teapot with a band of Mii's. Quality is subjective! I know, and I pity these people.  Save your pity. I have since Christmas talked to four people that got Wii Music and absolutely love it. Two of them are extremely talented professional musicians, one was a music teacher / band director with 20 years experience and the other was a seven year old girl who loves music but has been frustrated that many instruments don't fit her small hands and her coordination isn't completely mature. I don't think they want or need your pity. If you don't like the game or the idea of the game, just do what I do and don't buy it. But don't go acting like you are some annointed king of game taste for everyone on earth.

 

You have my backing on this subject as well Grampy, I'm a music education major in college at the moment and I really enjoy Wii music, there's no "glorified noise maker" there as Matt from IGN put it.  The game also teaches basic music fundamnetals, I remember being in 1st and 2nd grade and learning many of the things it teaches in the game, I'd say I'm privilaged enough that my local schools cared enough about the arts to teach us music so early, but many people and schools don't do this so it's a great tool for basic understanding of music, as well as a fun game to play by yourself or with friends.

(Note I highly respect Matt from IGN but he's obviously in a bad mood lately, he had more of a reason to get mad during the dead time's of the Gamecube era then 2008 when Wii had many great games, just my two cents towards this topic)

The exact same idea is a phrase that must have a different meaning for you than for me.

The thing is Singstar is a Karaoke game and it is a good karaoke game with an input device (a microphone) that is perfect for Karaoke.

Wii Music is a game for making music and it does this with an input device that is shitty for making music. A wand you wave around. The Wiimote doesn't look like a music instrument, it doesn't have the controls of a music instrument. Because of this games like Rockband add very expensive accessories like the drums that really work like music instruments.

The Wiimote is great for Wii Sports because many sports are rather nicely approximated by waving around a racket, a bat or whatever. Making music is much more complicated with very different instruments and many times blowing out air of your mouth is a completely different matter and this shows. It looks ridiculous and 95% of reviews have said that it plays sucky too. Now it apparently has sales success but perhaps people are so disgusted with it that they will learn for the next time. One can only hope.