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elprincipe on 21 January 2009
akuma587 said:
elprincipe said:
akuma587 said:
It's perfectly fine with me that some people think abortion is the worst thing on earth. Don't have an abortion, that's fine with me. But I want to know who gave them the right to tell everyone else what to do. There are reasonable grounds for disagreeing on whether or not abortion should be allowed, so why should the government step in and control people's decisions. I take the same attitude with outlawing certain drugs. The government isn't our parent (listen to me, I sound like a conservative!). Why should they be going around telling us what to do?

It's perfectly fine with me that some people think murder is the worst thing on earth. Don't murder someone, that's fine with me. But I want to know who gave them the right to tell everyone else what to do. There are reasonable grounds for disagreeing on whether or not murder should be allowed, so why should the government step in and control people's decisions. I take the same attitude with outlawing certain drugs. The government isn't our parent (listen to me, I sound like a conservative!). Why should they be going around telling us what to do?

Take a poll of 100 people and let me know how many of them say that murder is OK.

Take a poll of 100 people and let me know how many of them say that abortion is OK.

Reasonable grounds are based on facts and statistics, not on contorting language to make it say what you want to say.

 

You missed my point.  To someone who is pro-life, what you wrote and my modification sound exactly the same.  So I'm sure you can understand that no, I don't think it's wrong to tell someone they can't kill their child.

 



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steven787 on 22 January 2009
Final-Fan said:
@ steven787: Not at all. That was remarkable even by halogamer's standards. "Impressive" doesn't always mean good.

It almost always is.

Impressive - making or tending to make a marked impression : having the power to excite attention, awe, or admiration <an impressive display of skill>

The first definition lends to more literal usage; an item that leaves an impression, because dictionaries tend to use the most literal definitions to define another: "make a marked impression."

 



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

Final-Fan on 22 January 2009
steven787 said:
Final-Fan said:
@ steven787: Not at all. That was remarkable even by halogamer's standards. "Impressive" doesn't always mean good.
It almost always is.

Impressive - making or tending to make a marked impression : having the power to excite attention, awe, or admiration impressive display of skill>

The first definition lends to more literal usage; an item that leaves an impression, because dictionaries tend to use the most literal definitions to define another: "make a marked impression."

Or, not and.  My attention was indeed excited.   I'll admit that the most common usage is certainly to note good impressions, but that hardly means the converse isn't a valid use. 



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jv103 on 22 January 2009

I was under the impression lone has to be born to be a child. This thread reminds me a lot of the seal clubbing thread, and I think the same reasons apply here. 1. Population control 2. Substenance 3. Cuteness (In a weird amphibian diaphanous way).

In fact I wholeheartedly beleave that abortion is a protection measure (such as shooting someone who breaks in) from virgin births of demon spawn (This has some feasibility as purity is not guaranteed by simple virginity, thoughts must be pure as well as actions so in fact this is a real threat). I already know a woman can get pregnant without sex( Duh, it says so in the bible)so inexorably one of these virgin births may go against her will, constituting a cosmic rape. What recourse does she have to reject the demon spawn and be a good christian. Should she then grow the anti-christ or Baalzebub's child for the legions of hell.

I had a sudden revelation the word of God has come upon me:

Moobagushba tosa nahboke lakumdi regante forsum kuna kinne.



Rath on 22 January 2009
elprincipe said:
akuma587 said:
It's perfectly fine with me that some people think abortion is the worst thing on earth. Don't have an abortion, that's fine with me. But I want to know who gave them the right to tell everyone else what to do. There are reasonable grounds for disagreeing on whether or not abortion should be allowed, so why should the government step in and control people's decisions. I take the same attitude with outlawing certain drugs. The government isn't our parent (listen to me, I sound like a conservative!). Why should they be going around telling us what to do?

It's perfectly fine with me that some people think murder is the worst thing on earth. Don't murder someone, that's fine with me. But I want to know who gave them the right to tell everyone else what to do. There are reasonable grounds for disagreeing on whether or not murder should be allowed, so why should the government step in and control people's decisions. I take the same attitude with outlawing certain drugs. The government isn't our parent (listen to me, I sound like a conservative!). Why should they be going around telling us what to do?

Thats where your reply fails, the rest of it works. It is not reasonable to allow the murder of adults as that would cause a breakdown of society, even if you view a fetus as a person it doesn't change the fact that 'murdering' it does not cause a breakdown of law and order.

 



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makingmusic476 on 22 January 2009

Pro-life.



elprincipe on 22 January 2009
Rath said:
elprincipe said:
akuma587 said:
It's perfectly fine with me that some people think abortion is the worst thing on earth. Don't have an abortion, that's fine with me. But I want to know who gave them the right to tell everyone else what to do. There are reasonable grounds for disagreeing on whether or not abortion should be allowed, so why should the government step in and control people's decisions. I take the same attitude with outlawing certain drugs. The government isn't our parent (listen to me, I sound like a conservative!). Why should they be going around telling us what to do?

It's perfectly fine with me that some people think murder is the worst thing on earth. Don't murder someone, that's fine with me. But I want to know who gave them the right to tell everyone else what to do. There are reasonable grounds for disagreeing on whether or not murder should be allowed, so why should the government step in and control people's decisions. I take the same attitude with outlawing certain drugs. The government isn't our parent (listen to me, I sound like a conservative!). Why should they be going around telling us what to do?

Thats where your reply fails, the rest of it works. It is not reasonable to allow the murder of adults as that would cause a breakdown of society, even if you view a fetus as a person it doesn't change the fact that 'murdering' it does not cause a breakdown of law and order.

 

See my above post.  In any case, it doesn't cause a breakdown in law and order because, despite what pro-abortion folks will say, most pro-lifers are law-abiding citizens who abhor violence.

 



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akuma587 on 22 January 2009

Your original post didn't make any sense...your asking us to just agree with your ramblings when there is no good reason to do so.



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Final-Fan on 22 January 2009
elprincipe said:
Rath said:
elprincipe said:
akuma587 said:
It's perfectly fine with me that some people think abortion is the worst thing on earth. Don't have an abortion, that's fine with me. But I want to know who gave them the right to tell everyone else what to do. There are reasonable grounds for disagreeing on whether or not abortion should be allowed, so why should the government step in and control people's decisions. I take the same attitude with outlawing certain drugs. The government isn't our parent (listen to me, I sound like a conservative!). Why should they be going around telling us what to do?
It's perfectly fine with me that some people think murder is the worst thing on earth. Don't murder someone, that's fine with me. But I want to know who gave them the right to tell everyone else what to do. There are reasonable grounds for disagreeing on whether or not murder should be allowed, so why should the government step in and control people's decisions. I take the same attitude with outlawing certain drugs. The government isn't our parent (listen to me, I sound like a conservative!). Why should they be going around telling us what to do?
Thats where your reply fails, the rest of it works. It is not reasonable to allow the murder of adults as that would cause a breakdown of society, even if you view a fetus as a person it doesn't change the fact that 'murdering' it does not cause a breakdown of law and order.
See my above post.  In any case, it doesn't cause a breakdown in law and order because, despite what pro-abortion folks will say, most pro-lifers are law-abiding citizens who abhor violence.

 No, that's not why.  It may be because fetuses can't fight back. 



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elprincipe on 22 January 2009
akuma587 said:
Your original post didn't make any sense...your asking us to just agree with your ramblings when there is no good reason to do so.

If it didn't make sense after the explanation for those with your viewpoint, I'm not sure you are capable of comprehending.  Maybe if I render it in an even simpler way:

 

1. abortion = murder

2. you are asking those who are against abortion to allow other people to abort.

3. following from 1. and 2. above, you are asking anyone who is pro-life to let someone murder someone else because they shouldn't interfere in their "private" affairs (private as in one person taking the life of another)

4. does not compute.

 



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