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NJ5 on 14 January 2009
vlad321 said:
I've been sayinig this for months now. Flash is the next REAL distribution medium, not DVD 1.5, ....errrr Blu-Ray. I'm predicting that by 2015 we'll be using SSD Hard Drives and people will be able to use the full capability of the 4.8 gig data transfer speed. The only reason it will be 2015 is because the drives are still too expensive to replace the old tech, but just give it time.


Since you mention a SSD, I presume you're talking about downloadable titles?

 



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vlad321 on 14 January 2009
NJ5 said:
vlad321 said:
I've been sayinig this for months now. Flash is the next REAL distribution medium, not DVD 1.5, ....errrr Blu-Ray. I'm predicting that by 2015 we'll be using SSD Hard Drives and people will be able to use the full capability of the 4.8 gig data transfer speed. The only reason it will be 2015 is because the drives are still too expensive to replace the old tech, but just give it time.


Since you mention a SSD, I presume you're talking about downloadable titles?

 

 

Well not just the download titles. If they start releasing the titles on flash memory as well, then you'd get the optimum read/write speeds, currently your USB stick is limited by your HDD speed. Now if both are flash and connect using USB 3.0 you can get the full benefit of the 4.8 gigs a second. Imagine ho fast it will be to install games or boot up Windows! The other part is that devs will really start being able to just read from the USB itself, without having to install anything.



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NJ5 on 14 January 2009
vlad321 said:
NJ5 said:
vlad321 said:
I've been sayinig this for months now. Flash is the next REAL distribution medium, not DVD 1.5, ....errrr Blu-Ray. I'm predicting that by 2015 we'll be using SSD Hard Drives and people will be able to use the full capability of the 4.8 gig data transfer speed. The only reason it will be 2015 is because the drives are still too expensive to replace the old tech, but just give it time.


Since you mention a SSD, I presume you're talking about downloadable titles?

 

 

Well not just the download titles. If they start releasing the titles on flash memory as well, then you'd get the optimum read/write speeds, currently your USB stick is limited by your HDD speed. Now if both are flash and connect using USB 3.0 you can get the full benefit of the 4.8 gigs a second. Imagine ho fast it will be to install games or boot up Windows! The other part is that devs will really start being able to just read from the USB itself, without having to install anything.

I'm still not convinced that it will be cost effective to distribute games on flash (or even ROM) by the time the next generation comes. Perhaps for small games, but not for 10+ GB games.

 



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heruamon on 14 January 2009
vlad321 said:
NJ5 said:
vlad321 said:
I've been sayinig this for months now. Flash is the next REAL distribution medium, not DVD 1.5, ....errrr Blu-Ray. I'm predicting that by 2015 we'll be using SSD Hard Drives and people will be able to use the full capability of the 4.8 gig data transfer speed. The only reason it will be 2015 is because the drives are still too expensive to replace the old tech, but just give it time.


Since you mention a SSD, I presume you're talking about downloadable titles?

 

 

Well not just the download titles. If they start releasing the titles on flash memory as well, then you'd get the optimum read/write speeds, currently your USB stick is limited by your HDD speed. Now if both are flash and connect using USB 3.0 you can get the full benefit of the 4.8 gigs a second. Imagine ho fast it will be to install games or boot up Windows! The other part is that devs will really start being able to just read from the USB itself, without having to install anything.

BINGO...since having SSD inplace of a HDD is the point, and I was looking at this in the context of just gaming, not my desktop (although it's scalable).  Cost are relative to demand, since there are factories jsut waiting to make billions of these thing, if there is a need.  lash memory prices are tumbling, and they will probably tumble another 40-50% this year again, on the per gb basis.  We will see how true this is, IF Apple relelases the new Ipod Touch 64GB soon.  Late 2010 is really far away at this point, and I can see these things down 80% per megabit from today's cost, if not more.

 



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drpunk on 14 January 2009
Spankey said:
drpunk said:
Lots of cross information going on here.

Like, all we're really talking about is data throughput. As in I've got a big buffer of info here, I need to get it in that big bugger over there, how long's it gonna take?

What medium that data is on is irrelevant to this discussion really.

 

I think it is relevant though.

If you have a standard magnetic platter SATAII drive (throughput 300mbs) connected to another SATAII drive over a USB3 (throughput 5gbs) bus, whats the point of all that throughput if it can't be used?

Even if the drives were USB3 native, the platters and heads couldn't possibly keep up, could they?

stringing multiple devices together is where it will shine imo, not on device-device transfers at least for the near future

I know what you mean, but that's why I think the storage medium is irrelevant because this all relys on the storage medium being able to keep up with the transfer rate.

That storage medium might not exist today, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible to achieve.

 

 



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vlad321 on 14 January 2009
NJ5 said:
vlad321 said:
NJ5 said:
vlad321 said:
I've been sayinig this for months now. Flash is the next REAL distribution medium, not DVD 1.5, ....errrr Blu-Ray. I'm predicting that by 2015 we'll be using SSD Hard Drives and people will be able to use the full capability of the 4.8 gig data transfer speed. The only reason it will be 2015 is because the drives are still too expensive to replace the old tech, but just give it time.


Since you mention a SSD, I presume you're talking about downloadable titles?

 

 

Well not just the download titles. If they start releasing the titles on flash memory as well, then you'd get the optimum read/write speeds, currently your USB stick is limited by your HDD speed. Now if both are flash and connect using USB 3.0 you can get the full benefit of the 4.8 gigs a second. Imagine ho fast it will be to install games or boot up Windows! The other part is that devs will really start being able to just read from the USB itself, without having to install anything.

I'm still not convinced that it will be cost effective to distribute games on flash (or even ROM) by the time the next generation comes. Perhaps for small games, but not for 10+ GB games.

 

 

Like heuramon said, as demand increases the prices should be dropping. That's why I said 6 years from today, not 2. People need to get exposed to this and they need to start wanting it.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

bardicverse on 14 January 2009
heruamon said:
bardicverse said:

The problem with USB 3.0 is that there is a new Firewire spec RIGHT around the corner that is even faster than USB 3.0. So before it exists, USB 3.0 is already obsolete.

 

edit - nm. apparently the 3.0 throughput is still higher, or at least has the potential for such. Most USB doesnt reach its max throughput. FW 3200 will allow for 3.2 ghz even on older FW hardware.

Huh??? USB is far more widely supported, and do you have some links to the expected firewire specs?

 

 

Here you go, as requested - http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-10141810-76.html



arsenicazure on 14 January 2009

70 seconds for 25GB.. can hard drives spin that fast :)



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Spankey on 14 January 2009
arsenicazure said:
70 seconds for 25GB.. can hard drives spin that fast :)

 

Currently?

I doubt it.

SSD drives on the other hand...



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Theo on 14 January 2009

I'm gonna have to get loads of USB3.0's stuck into my head so I can plug games straight into my brain.