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megaman79 on 13 January 2009

Where Wii Music failed was GH's superior advantage, were talking failure critically.

Wii Fit didn't fail but again critically people didn't get it. Some fat critics did at least.

I get the sequel fear but its Nintendo and they work hard at not producing the same game continuously.

And about the core crowd, what are we afraid of? A cartoon, jesus, i guess some of you won't even admit to liking pixar films.

The swordplay is gonna rock, if its online its def. gonna rock, if its 2 player that will be fine but 4 players would be completely of the wall nuts. I think Nintendo will incorporate 4 players in Jetski's for eg.



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mike_intellivision on 13 January 2009
KylieDog said:
NJ5 said:
KylieDog said:
I fail to see anything in WSR that appeals to the core crowed. Sorry but Miis with sticks sword fighting doesn't.

Swap Miis for..I dunno, Jedi? Swap sticks with lightsabers? Then it might appeal to more.

So the core crowd is really the shallow one? hehe

The sword fighting has a lot of potential, here's hoping it works well and feels good... I think it will be weird at the beginning since we're used to behave like true Ninjas in games, whereas now we'll just be our clumsy selves actually learning how to use a sword.

 

 

Generally (so people don't pick out single examples to try and kill this claim) yes, I'm willing to bet a larger chunk of the casual crowd are either quite old, or quite young. They aren't likely to care about Miis looks, or the fact they are using sticks.

 

The core crowed tend to be in the middle of those ages, and demand more since they know better. It is like "Yeah, The Terminator is a great film, but if you dress it up like a saturday morning kids cartoon, I'm not gonna watch it."

 

I don't mean to sound condescending to explain that to anyone reading it and not understanding, but I mean it don't matter how well a game plays, dressing it up like a kids game can be very patronising to some people.

 

No -- this is two people with sticks: http://www.atariage.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21_85_47&products_id=151

And the part I bolded may show the difference between a mature gamer and another gamer. To a mature gamer, gameplay trumps graphics. To someone else, the opposite is true.

Basically, if the games are solid, the software will sell -- if for no other reason that it will probably be the easiest way to get that first WMP unit.

But it will not be critically well-received because those who make those determinations tend to think in a way where they judge a book by its cover rather than its contents.

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Mr Khan on 13 January 2009

I want to see how they expand on the promise to make the Jet Ski mode as deep as a standalone game. Either i remember things totally wrong, or they said that.



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MaxwellGT2000 on 13 January 2009

I haven't heard a WHOLE lot about this game especially since E3 was a big let down they haven't talked about Wii Sports Resort as of late since they're trying to appeal to the niche's at the moment, to get the point, does anyone know about Wii Speak/Online play support? It would be pretty fun to play via WFC and talk with Wii Speak I mean having a group of friends over to play Sword fighting via the interwebz with a friend and his folks from another state would be awesome.



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MaxwellGT2000 on 13 January 2009
KylieDog said:
mike_intellivision said:

 

No -- this is two people with sticks: http://www.atariage.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21_85_47&products_id=151

And the part I bolded may show the difference between a mature gamer and another gamer. To a mature gamer, gameplay trumps graphics. To someone else, the opposite is true.

Basically, if the games are solid, the software will sell -- if for no other reason that it will probably be the easiest way to get that first WMP unit.

But it will not be critically well-received because those who make those determinations tend to think in a way where they judge a book by its cover rather than its contents.

Mike from Morgantown

 

 

 

 

That has its limits.  It is easy to point at gameplay and say ignore everything else, but like an adult man getting caught smoking by his mum and told he is grounded, he isn't gonna stop smoking, and he isn't gonna sit in his room and not go out, no matter how much he loves her.

 

But... I love mother... (Dr. Tran if you didn't catch that) and why not maybe he should stop smoking =P



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woopah on 13 January 2009

i agree this (and most other games) wont appeal to the cadual core crowd. generally they go by appearances and steroetypes (eg. seeing the DS in the same light as the wii, or not knowing that the wii can go online). its the same way the people believed PS2 was the most powerful last gem console



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famousringo on 13 January 2009
stof said:
Do we even know the full list of games yet? The possibilities are so huge. Just throwing the name RESORT on it suggests that there will be a lot of sports. Of course it also suggests that there might be a more robust presentation as well (you know, the actual resort where all the games are).

Either way, this is going to be the gaming event of 09.

 

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ilovetogame on 13 January 2009

i'm not so sure about WSR. we don't know much about it yet so it could be great like wii sports, but so far i don't think it will be. wii sports had boxing, bowling, and golf which were all amazing and then it had tennis and baseball which were ok. so far for WSR we've got fencing which should be anywhere from good to great(it could be the next boxing but with good controls), jet ski which could be good to great, and throwing a frisbee to a dog which should be in a wiiplay game not a wii sports game.

the frisbee is what scares me about this game, if they include that and if they only have 5 sports like in wii sports then they've completely wasted 1/5 of the game on utter trash. so if there are only two more sports then they better be AMAZING for the game to be on the same level as wii sports. if its a decent enough game i'll at least buy it for the motion plus.



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megaman79 on 13 January 2009

note what i said. I think it matches the casual/core divide perfectly. Do you think sword fighting (its not fencing) is designed for kids, for casual players? Its not and neither is Jetski's. They are designed to appeal to core players and i think Nintendo won't dissapoint like they have with the last 2 Wii iterations.

btw its 10 games, so far we know of 3 and 2 of them are arguably more core than boxing could ever be. I hope im right.



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puffy on 14 January 2009

Also note that Nintendo said they want to have 10 games in the final product and more if they can squeeze them in.. I for one want a surfboarding game complete with balance board control!