so you're basically summing up what I just said...

In terms of the times changing. It's true, but I'd aim Nintendo's success and Sony's subpar performance towards the fact that Sony were the ones that made the blunders this time around.

Not really.

Sony would still be losing even if the PS3 was cheaper. Price only accounts for so much. 

I think people also underestimate how much those 1-year headstarts helped the PSX and PS2. Having a full year to iron the kinks out, build up software and brand momentum, secure third party exclusives, etc. helped Sony tremendously in the past. 

Put them on even footing with Nintendo or MS though ... and they shrink. Sony has to have large advantages for them to dominate. 

It is more like it sells more because it does videogaming in a way that appeals more to casual and non-gamers.  It is the approach that generates more sales, over the games.  The reality is that people will buy a Wii just to play Wii Sports.  There are other people who buy systems just to do Guitar Hero or Rock Band.  Some do it to play Halo or another FPS.  Hardcore gamers tend to prefer the 360 this time around.

Pardon me for rounding to one significant digit.

lol, just saying its not a full 500 with a new full priced game.

Yeah my PS3 disappeard for 3 weeks, i was out every day rattling its tin. Mind you then i bought LBP and it returned home the next day, so apparently an exclusive was just the ticket. So i think we all learned a lesson here, dont feed you PS3 pedigree chum.

For some reason, I think you only read the first sentence I typed. I never said anything about price being the ONLY factor......But hypothetically, if the PS3 were the cheapest console upon launch, I'd bet that it would infact to the best selling console of this current gen... but as we all know, it can't be proven true or false so it really doesn't matter.

The gamecube was infact the cheapest console (i think), but it had crap marketing and a subpar software lineup compared to the PS2. Both of which was what I was implying in my first post you responded to. 

As for the 1 year headstarts... they never existed as Sega always released a console before Sony.

Pricing: I now await the day where the 360 will outsell the Wii, oh wait, let me guest it doesn't count because...errrr.. right, right, momentum forget the party line for a minute here.

Marketing: Yeah because Microsoft don't spend a shit load of money on marketing, no sir.

Give it up, trying to say that the Wii doesn't sell because of its game is crazy. Remove all the software and nobody would buy a Wii, no matter how much marketing or how low the price it it wouldn't sell, for the simple matter that it only play game and if there is no game, what good is it?

The 360 or the PS3 on the other hand, even without software they could sell, by changing the price and the marketing, IOW, by selling them much cheaper and advertising them as DVD/BR player.

The killer app problem is being discussed here. In it, it is proposed that one killer app in the videogame business now can make a difference. This may of been true in the past, but not now.

In the beginning, you had arcades. The company that had the most home versions of the top arcade games won. More focuses was THE hot arcade game of the time. The company that had that, ended up being the top seller.

Then came Nintendo, with Super Mario Bros. first, and a bunch of Vs. arcade games on the NES. They generated interest with these, and also worked out the third party angle, setting the licensing model we have to day that make things sustainable. Back then, you were able to have a single killer app.

Well, as time has gone on, the market has gotten MUCH larger and more fragmented. One killer app alone won't turn the table. One can still possibly generate a market for a machine. Multiple ones give people a chance to make a difference. I will say we may be looking at an exception here, and that is Wii Sports and motion control. Nintendo now owns the motion control market. It has really no competition at all for it. Anything Sony ot Microsoft tries looks like a bad knockoff.

In regards to all this, there is a problem if you think you will get a killer app. Companies want to make money off established genres with known markets. This means that something like Gran Turismo is attempted to be countered by Microsoft and Forza. If the title is a third-party killer app, then console makers bribe to get it, and you have the likes of Microsoft stealing Final Fantasy and making the 360 the place for GTA.

Because they want a next-gen console for something like GTA and the PS3 has Gran Turismo in the future