"Console game standards are far lower than PC game standards."

Perhaps because there are so few of you... And the barriers to entry are far far higher.

"Obviously there are games good enough to still sell even after 8 years. Your data just proved that point, the quality of games has been decreasing sharply as more and more are "consolified"

Maybe the talent required to best these games make console games because the market there can support their vision better?

"UT2004 is still the best multiplayer-shooter, HL2 still the best single-player, SC and WC3 the best strategy games, and Diablo II, NWN, BG2, KOTOR, and FO2 the best RPGs"

Considering you're the one setting the standard... it doesn't surprise me to see these games lauded as the "best". Ask any decent Nintendo person what the best platformer, the best racer and the best fighter in existance and you won't be surprised by the franchises.

Oh welll hell, I'll give the consoles fighting, platformer, sports, and racing games. Those games can't be done well on a PC anyhow. That's why I have a wii (the fact i left it home is a minor detail, we just happen to have one here too). However the other major franchises have yet to see a GOOD game come out. The last great game to come out that I saw was World of Goo, and before it, Portal. Can't remember that far back for any truly great games until we reach Civ IV in '05.....

Also which barriers are you talking about? Development? Because it's by far the easiest and cheapest to develop and distribute on the PC. If you mean by a gamers' standards, then yes, we like good games on the PC. That's why Diablo II and the sims are still selling....

Another quick point Squilliam:

http://old-wizard.com/top-10-most-addicting-games

Not that another's opinions in support of my own makes mine more validating, but I want you to notice how old the games are. The newest one on there is MKDD. Also let's face it Diablo II was the crack phenomenon not Diablo I, and ANY MK and Civ title are as addicting as those. Where are all those badass leet amazing new games from this gen's HD consoles? Or last gen's for that matter (bar MK, since it goes for any MK that's made).

That isn't a scientific survey, its some guys opinion. There are many recent and addicting games which have been released.

See DS

See Wii

See Xbox 360

etc.

I have seen the DS and the Wii addicting games (mostly MK, SSBB or the party games when peeps are over) , however I have yet to see anything special about a 360 or a PS3 game....