Pristine20 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Pristine20 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
forevercloud3000 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
forevercloud3000 said:
@Dino
The only consumers that seem to be denying the capabilities of the PS3 is AMERICA. Europe is very soon to be taken by PS3 over 360, and Japan is a lost cause for 360 with PS3 out selling it 3/1.
America is the country to be hit by this recession the hardest(seeing they started it). With the complete lack of funds America cannot afford the PS3 right now. America also has a very strong harboring bias against the PS3 in favor of the 360. 360 is an American made product that is doing successful. Americans NEED American products to do good because they boost economy. They need it more now then ever. This is why I believe US publications to be so increasingly and deliberately misleading about PS3 information. Almost everything is tried to turn into a negative.
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Um no. America has the highest rate of consumption of the PS3 out of all the countries its being sold to. The 360 just so happens to appeal to Americans more and the price is an extra treat. Don't put this on Americans when they've been open minded to the PS3 and Japan have been biased towards the 360. Microsoft has done everything under the sun for them and they are ungrateful. Outsiders will always blame America for all of the shit that goes wrong elsewhere.
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Firstly, I am American(USA cit) for your information. I am not some foreigner looking in from the outside, quite the opposite.
Second, how can you even refute this when the information is right on the front of VGchartz?
US-
PS3:7.43million
360:15.71milliion
Others(Europe)-
PS3:9.14million
360:10.66million
Japan-
PS3:2.70million
360:0.87million
So if we look at this information given to us by vg chartz
Japan:PS3 is winning by a 3 to 1 ratio.
Others(Europe):360 BARELY! They are difinitely going to lose others before US is taken. This is practically assured.
US: With one of the largest populations around, this is the country that the PS3 has an obvious defeat. Who cares whether if its the country has sold the most units in, it is still also the country that has PS3 behind sales in WW sales. It is the one country that resists PS3 penetration while all others have embraced it.
And as a member of the US, YES, there is a butt ton of bias here. I see it everyday.
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I don't care if you are American. I have plenty of Japanese sympathizers (Usually anime fanatics) in my wide circle of friends. This doesn't strengthen your argument. First of all Europe is not a country, it's a continent with many countries. Because of this it strengthens the validity of the fact that America as a whole has given more to the cause. All the 360 needs is the west. If Microsoft had japan by even 1 million that would be one million more of a gap in the race between Microsoft and Sony. You know just as well as I do that Japan has more nationalistic pride than America when it comes to sales. In America we'll buy anything as long as it's quality and the right price. You can refute this all you want, but this is why Japanese products have dominated in America from Televisions to cars. Don't call this bias if you have no proof.
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C'mon now. Europe is usually compared as a whole to America because of the population available to sell to. Europe has 400+ mil people but some of these people live in countries that aren't first world so won't help the sales chart much. America has 300 mil people all in a first world country.
Also, America has a single official language while each european country has a different language which tends to hinder localization and sales as well. For these reasons, I think forevercloud's comparisons are fair.
I also have to agree with him on the bias here in the US. For proof, go to your local gamestop and do some chatting.
I do agree with you however about Japanese having way more nationalistic pride than America. I do have to point out however that one reason for that could be that Japan consists of only traditional Japanese people for the most part. They don't allow much immigration from what I've heard while the US is an immigrant country period. There are some things that bring all types of Americans together though like many sports.
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Europe as a continent has far more people to sell to. The difference between America and Europe is that Americans spend more time on videogames and have a higher product consumption rate. That is the true reason. You're also wrong about Europes population. Europe as a whole has double the population the US has. The US is the entertainment/consumption capital of the world, period. There is no bias. The PS2 sold over 40 million consoles in America alone as opposed to Europe who sold just a little over that as a continent. The 360 has achieved a percentage increase in Japan, but thats not saying much when the 360 offers so much more than the original Xbox did game-wise.
First of all English is the main sales language in the world. Forevercloud's comparisons were not fair because he has no proof in the world that America is biased to Japanese product. I have gone to Gamestop and where I live nearly every worker promotes the PS3 more. However the 360 and Wii still sell better despite their efforts.
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I said 400+ mil people because I didn't know the exact population of Europe. It looks like you're right. According to wikipedia, europe has 730 mil people. I also do agree with you on America being the consumer capital of the world. We use up most of the world's resources by ourselves.
Remember though that there are a lot of EU countries that are not useful in this comparison like czech republic, ukraine and such but add a lot to "bloat" the population used for these comparisons. Ukraine has 150 mil people for starters but I can't see any console doing a 500k there. Also, you say english is the consumer language like it's somehow their fault o their problem that english is not their first language. What is spoken where you live is what you learn. Learning a second language doesn't appeal to many and in most cases, you can never get as proficient as your original. English being the consumer product language of choice (especially in gaming where language is a big deal) thus hinders sales in these countries.
In other words, factoring all these things I said in effect, the comparison of US sales to EU sales is all the more fair. The closeness of the ps2 sales in EU to US even adds to the reason why the comparison is useful. Thus the drastically different 360:PS3 sales in US vs EU has some meaning as forevercloud is trying to point out. I think there's a bias against the ps3 here in America like forevercloud is saying but I don't think it's any sort of "nationalistic pride" causing it because the US doen't really have anything like that due to it's population composition in the first place. I think it's more a result of media presentation. Even my 9 year old brother told me that he read online that the ps3 is dying that I may not have anything to play in the future.
Having a respectable media outlet like CNN post the kinds of articles they've post and the furor when the ps3 originally launched in the US are the reasons I think fuel this line of thinking. Add the lost exclusives to the mix and it really lets the dogs loose. In my local gamespot, even the day I bought the ps3 , I was told it was just "garbage" and there was nothing to play on it. They also try to talk about me into getting a 360 and selling my ps3 whenever I buy anything ps3 from them.
Whenever I ask for a PS360 game version, they always bring the 360 one if I don't specify what system and many times even after I specifically said ps3 version. For condemned 2, they never carried the ps3 version till a week after launch. I had to buy it from kmart. It may not seem like anything to you since you favor the 360 anyway but for us those of us who have ps3s, this attitude takes a psychological toll. I just buy from amazon now.
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Of course Europe has some countries that don't buy games. If the product matters, like the PS2 they will buy it. I have been the Europe numerous times to see family and I love the smell of American hating in the morning, noon and night. Especially in England, they love to talk about their "Special relationship" with Japan and how Japan loves to give them products first. America gets their products before Europe when it comes to gaming in most cases from Japan.
The comparison of America to Europe by consumption rate is somewhat fair, but by population is domination on America's part. There is no bias to the PS3 in America. If they drop price, American customers will flock to the product, period. You have to remember that Microsoft made it extremely hard for people world wide to choose between the 360 and the PS3. They took the 3rd party games and made people choose based on personal taste of first party and library.
CNN said what they said about Sony because they count financials. As I said to forevercloud, when the PS2 was out the American media loved the product but if you screw up once they will be ontop of you like white on rice.
Buy from Amazon. I buy from any dealer that has the product at a good price and has a quality product. I just wont give the game back to gamestop. I'll sell it on Ebay or something. I have to admit that i've been to over 20 Gamestops in my life around the country and the majority of them were PS3 fanatics as well as hardware fanatics and some were Japan-centric.
