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Squilliam said:
Theres only one physical movie format, one physical format reader and theres only one major consumer OS... Let it be like movie formats and have several companies bid for the attention of the consumers once every 6 years and the winner gets all.

 

 exactly.  Very well put.  You said everything there that i was trying to take paragraphs to explain



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^I wouldnt mind that now.
eg: The company makes extremely different versions of their console, but every version can play the same games. One could be cheap with motion controls, one could play HD movies, have a bigger HDD and a web browser and be more expensive. I no this is a possibility, but I just cant see it happening XD



SMcc1887 said:
^I wouldnt mind that now.
eg: The company makes extremely different versions of their console, but every version can play the same games. One could be cheap with motion controls, one could play HD movies, have a bigger HDD and a web browser and be more expensive. I no this is a possibility, but I just cant see it happening XD

 

 

true and like i said in a post a while back we are still pretty far away from something like that.  At the absolute soonest i wouldn't expect it till after the next-gen (PS4, XB 720, Wii 2) but it would certainly be a healthier and more profitable form for almost everyone involved.  Especially the software developers.



NJ5 said:
madskillz said:
NJ5 said:

Here is a list of Sony's major divisions:

Electronics
Sony Ericsson (Mobile phones)
Game
Pictures
Financial Services
Sony BMG Music Entertainment
All Others

Of those, the ones posting a loss in the last quarter were:

- Sony Ericsson ($18 million loss)
- Game ($429 million loss)
- Financial Services ($275 million loss)
- Sony BMG Music Entertainment ($45 million loss)

In the previous fiscal year as a whole, the Game division was the only one posting a loss ($1.35 billion at today's exchange rates).

If the article is right in claiming that major divisions will be abolished (a pretty bold claim), the Game division doesn't look safe at all in this context.

 

Do you have data like this on MS? Ninny?

 

Nintendo doesn't have different divisions for gaming, they don't even discriminate between Wii and DS revenue.

As for Microsoft the data is in their investors page (same as with Sony):

http://www.microsoft.com/msft/default.mspx

Microsoft is losing money on Online Services Business and Corporate-level Activity which is explained here:

http://www.microsoft.com/msft/IC/Popups/CorporateLevelActivity.htm

In the previous fiscal year they also lost money on the Entertainment and Devices division (which 360 is a part of).

 

Sorry for the late response, but thanks for the info!

 



I don't think Bluray will be a failure. Once players reach the mass market price of around 150$-200$ im sure sales will take off. I also think bluray movies themselves need to drop in price to the same as dvd and HDTVs need to drop in price as well, which they will do. Just because a format doesn't take off right away doesnt mean its a failure. Look at CDs. It took quite a few years for them to take off but eventually when the price reach that mass market friendly level sales took off. If Bluray still isnt a success 3 years from now, id be worried, but until then dont right it off as a failure while its still at a premium.



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BenVTrigger said:
BengaBenga said:
JGarret said:
Benga, how badly could the PS brand getting canned damage the industry as a whole?

 

Very bad.

Developers and publishers with projects (let alone exclusive ones) for PS3 will be screwed. Sure the existing userbase will still be there, but it's not very big and the cancellation of the console will definitely lead to less software sales as retailers will decrease the amount of space for PS3 games.

It will be bad for the image of the industry as well, leading to less interest from investors and less access to much needed loans.

Obviously Nintendo and Microsoft would gain from it, but they're really the only ones.

I don't see it as the #1 or #2 in likelyhood, but the more I think of it the more I find it impossible to disregard the idea. 

 

 can't say i agree with you there benga,  the healthiest thing for the home consoles would be ONE single gaming machine.   With multiple platforms many people can only afford to buy one.  What does this mean for game developers? well they have the option of going exsclusive and getting paid by sony / MS / Nintendo for the game as well as sales of said game.  They can go multi-plat with no bonus but have higher sales but still with 3 consoles many multi plats show up on only 2 or so, thus still missing a large chunk of users, usually millions.  If you have one console everyone benefits because

A)  you have a single console maufacturer who doesn't necessarily have to worry about spending all that cash on landing exsclusives and making deals with the 3rd party developers.  This extra money can be put into R + D spending on the machine and improve its quality and longevity

B)  software developers now have one huge localized audience.  With such a large demographic there is MUCH less to worry about in terms of install base and thus this gives way to more room for innovation.  With a single audience of this caliber you can make all kinds of new engines and gameplay mechanics because there are so many people to sell to without having to worry about the extra costs of going multi-plat. 

C)  the every day consumer benefits buy being able to make simply one single purchase and have a huge library of games at hand.  It makes the purchase of a console much more effiecient.  Also we benefit from all 3rd parties being on one system because it creates strong competition.  Shooter games will all be focusing on the same audience thus they will HAVE to innovate in order to sell.  Imaging if you will Gears 2, Resistance 2, MGS4, Killzone 2, Halo 3, all on one console.  With so many games available with shooting mechanics the developers will absolutley have to be fresh and innovative to beat out the competition thus making better games for us.

A single console would benefit the 3rd party developers, that's for sure, but other than that it will be bad for the industry.

A) Extra money for R&D? Why would companies do that? If there's a single console, it has single specifications, otherwise it doesn't make sense cause it would become a PC, where you'd have to upgrade your console to play certain games. This is exactly why people prefer consoles over PC gaming.

You forget one important thing: once there's a single console world, there's no incentive whatsoever to improve the hardware every 5-6 years, like now is the case. We wouldn't have had an innovation like motion controls on Wii or online like 360. It sounds perfect for costumers on the first sight, but in the end it's not. Competition is what drives any business, but the competition among console manufacturers has made delopments much faster.

I'm very much against a single gaming platform and would hate for Sony to stop in the videogame business.

 



Well, Sony denied it, so...

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/05/sony-denies-reports-regarding-major-division-shut-downs/



DMeisterJ said:
Well, Sony denied it, so...

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/05/sony-denies-reports-regarding-major-division-shut-downs/

Let's hope it plays out the way they say.



DMeisterJ said:
Well, Sony denied it, so...

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/05/sony-denies-reports-regarding-major-division-shut-downs/

Oh hey, its something that was already discussed in this thread.

And look at it this way; if they don't restructure radically then they're screwed for certain.



DMeisterJ said:
Well, Sony denied it, so...

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/05/sony-denies-reports-regarding-major-division-shut-downs/

And exactly this is their problem. The other article was stating things from the investors point of view. They are in fact rallying support against parts of the Sony Management. Sony will have to react or they will get huge bills from their investors.

Although I doubt that they will sell complete parts. At the moment you wouldn't get real money for them. But Sony will have to cut costs and earn profit in the short term badly. This will probably lead to several important steps for their gaming department:

A low cost initiative for the PS-3. The console has no real chance to earn back its huge investment costs, especially the cell developmant. Its costs were parked all over the place.

At the moment it is in a good situation to earn at least a part of its money back. They are in no postion to compete with the Arcade Xbox 360 now or in the long run. So it is a more prudent step to try to earn some money back and invest it in a PS-4 project. The PS-3 might sell sufficiently for 2-3 years and then you should better have an alternative. Otherwise the Wii 2 and Xbox 720 will crush you between their previous versions and their new plattforms.

On the software side the situation is quite clear. Lots of their staff will want to go into the multi plattform development. A bigger market and rather minute additional costs. All the expensive exclussive projects have trouble to even meet the break even point. Only exclussive titles in very advanced stages will stay exclussive.

From a pure software development standpoint this is the best and easiest way to earn profit on HD plattforms. Especially if Microsoft succeds in attracting casual gamers with HD interests. Do you really believe they will wait till your console drops to their price point or will they take the 200$ alternative, even if they get slightly less attractive games but they can play them now, not in one or two years.