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megaman79 on 04 January 2009
akuma587 said:
megaman79 said:
The veto vote is ironic because Russia and China have used it in cases where their vested interests relate to Zimbabwee and Mugabe along with Sudan too.

Ironic because the West complains about that suspension of justice but when Israel was going to firstly be publicly shamed over accusations they were infringing on human rights for Palestinians including mass non-combatant casualty deaths and then, just last week, the demand to halt military action in favour of a ceasefire, both were vetoed by the US.

Look at the history of veto's by the 5 permanent members and there is clear bias, vested interests and shameful ignorance of moral standards.

It should be changed because today its not just about 5 countries, after all its the G12. If they required 2 countries to veto a decision the war might have been stopped last week. Britain and the EU don't want it to continue.

Come on! You've got power! You HAVE to abuse it! Duh!

 

I tell you man, theres absolutely no sense in having an internationally recognised representitive system for the world when 3 of the 5 permanent members produce 90% of the worlds weapons and are capable of supressing wars but only if their not actually making money off it.

 



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BTFeather55 on 04 January 2009

I don't think I can give you a good reason but this website seems to do a good job of summing it up:
http://therefinersfire.org/ishmael_and_isaac.htm

 

Edit:  This is another part of it.  Start reading after the section On the Other Hand (Edit) begins.  Just read the paragraph that follows the words  On the Other Hand which are in bold text then stop after reading this when the sentence "Jesus' message may be love thy brother but the Old Testament has a different viewpoint." ends  unless you want to read a bunch of happy, happy, joy, joy "everything is going to be alright for everyone" Christian theology.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_Christianity_have_to_say_about_prejudice_and_discrimination

 

Also a look could be taken at the story of Jacob and Esau as well:

http://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles/jacob-esau.htm



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Coca-Cola on 04 January 2009

I might be blind, but I think the solution for Gaza would be fore Hamas and other terrorists organizations leave - don't vote them into power.
Let Israel government take control of Gaza and take care of the Palestinians.

Israel will not kill Palestinians - they want to get rid of Hamas and other terrorists that keeps attacking Israel.

Give Peace a chance.



TheNino85 on 04 January 2009

Because there are rockets aimed at Israel coming out of Gaza.

There. One good reason. Maybe not the best reason, but I'd say "getting shot at by rockets" is an OK reason to invade a place.

You ever get the feeling that sometimes people don't even bother thinking about their post titles?



Kasz216 on 04 January 2009
akuma587 said:
Because the US will support anything that Israel does. They could be frying up babies to make latkas, and we would blame Hamas.

Your kidding right?

Have you been paying attention to the area?

Hamas... the elected government of Gaza fired rockets on to Israel... and you don't want them to respond?

Would you not want people to respond if i started firing rockets into your neighberhood?

 



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akuma587 on 04 January 2009
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
Because the US will support anything that Israel does. They could be frying up babies to make latkas, and we would blame Hamas.

Your kidding right?

Have you been paying attention to the area?

Hamas... the elected government of Gaza fired rockets on to Israel... and you don't want them to respond?

Would you not want people to respond if i started firing rockets into your neighberhood?

 

I never said that Israel doesn't have some or complete justification for what they are doing, but the fact remains that we support Israel on just about every decision they make.

 



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Kasz216 on 04 January 2009
Words Of Wisdom said:
I think that if terrorists in Canada started firing missiles across the US border killing US civilians while the Canadian government did nothing that the US would indeed do something to protect its citizens.

Some would question the level of Israel's retaliation but their motivation should be fairly clear (conspiracy theories aside).

They arent' even terrorists though.

I mean... they are.

But they're the legally elected government of the Palestinian people.  It's not a case of...

"Oh damn... those terrorists are attacking, and now the people who live in the same area are hurt as well."

It's a case of

"Oh damn... that government elected by the people is attacking those people who live in the same area."

So long as Hamas is the legally elected government of Gaza.. and they continue to attack Israel and comit acts of war...

The palestinian people have to deal with the consequences... since they voted them in.

 

 



Kasz216 on 04 January 2009
akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
Because the US will support anything that Israel does. They could be frying up babies to make latkas, and we would blame Hamas.

Your kidding right?

Have you been paying attention to the area?

Hamas... the elected government of Gaza fired rockets on to Israel... and you don't want them to respond?

Would you not want people to respond if i started firing rockets into your neighberhood?

 

I never said that Israel doesn't have some or complete justification for what they are doing, but the fact remains that we support Israel on just about every decision they make.

That's not true at all.  I mean... have you forgot Lebanon already?

Another case where Israel was totally justified and the US is one of the main reasons Israel was forced to sign a peace treaty.

America supports israel.  But they aren't blind in it.



Kasz216 on 04 January 2009
akuma587 said:
Comrade Tovya said:

 

Hate all races equally, what does that mean?

The very statement "frying up babies to make latkas" is just ignorant, as no American would stand behind Israel (or any other nation) if such a thing were to happen to any people.  With that being said, despite your intentions, it doesn't give you the right to use racially provocative language to provide a gross exageration of America's support for Israel.  As I stated before, that very statement has been made by anti-Semites since the middle ages as an accusation as to what Jews did to Christian children, and hence gave Christians false justification for the murder of Jews, so for you to throw that statement out there is unacceptable.  You dishonor my murdered ancestors by making such statements, so you'll just have to forgive me if I take offense to it.  I do hope we are clear on this matter now.

As for the article you posted, it's irrelevant to me.  I think it's well founded in this forum that I am a conservative, and my party of choice (Republican) supports Israel as I so desire.  If the voting bloc that votes for the Democrats is unhappy with their party support of Israel, then it's on their shoulders to make a change within their party, not mine.  So instead of griping to me about the Democrat's support for Israel (that you seemingly see as unjustified) then do your part to reign in their support for your position if that is your party of choice.  Why are you complaining to me, a Republican, about a party that I don't vote for anyway?

As for your first part.  We are on the internet.  Chill out.  1) I'm not serious 2) If people took what everyone said on the internet seriously then the murder rate in this country would be much higher.  When I say I hate all races equally I mean that I am an equal opportunity discriminator.  I just dislike everybody.  I am white, and I can't stand a lot of white people.  The males especially are often ignorant, overweight, xenophobic, and in the South they are inbred.  There are plenty of black, Hispanic, and Asian people I can't stand too.

Honestly, I probably have less gripes about Jews than just about any other race/ethnic groups.  I get along great with Jewish people.  Most of them I've met have a good sense a humor.  Nothing bad was intended, and my reference was more to American Psycho than any kind of ethnic slur (funny character who makes a bad latka joke not involving babies).  But you shouldn't get upset about what people on the internet say regardless, even if it is racist.  Give someone a keyboard and their IQ drops in half.

As for the second part, its not just about what my party does, I'm just talking about the lack of social dialog in general.  Hell, I hear more debate over whether or not 9/11 was a conspiracy than over whether or not we should support Israel.  When people don't openly discuss something and there are no dissenting opinions, it usually leads to a bad result.

That's really funny considering how critical you've been to republican racist missteps.

Your comment was much worse then say... the Obama Bucks.

You really seem to hold people do different standards based on whether or not they agree with you.  It's quite disheartening.

 



Xen on 04 January 2009
Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:
skip said:
Frankenstein said:
skip said:
Frankenstein said:

Because Israel doesn't care who it kills.

Every Palestinian is a militant to them, and every buidling is militant headquarters, even if it is a fucking children's hospital.

I hope Hamas does some serious damage to the Israeli military, because what Israel is doing is nothing short of genocide.

 

When the ceasfire ended hamas/militants attacked israel with hundreds of rockets.  Israel is simply forcing hamas/militants out of governance/ into another ceasefire.  Hamas was the aggressor and is the one that desires genocide not israel.

Believe whatever you hear from the bias media.

The truth is Israel has turned Gaza into a prison, there is a huge wall around it and little to no aid is getting through. Israel routinely kills civilians and then passes it off as militants who were killed.

Hundreds of Palestinian civilians have been killed compared to what, 4 Israelis? That is a shocking number.

so are you saying that the media faked the aftermath/occurence of the rocket attacks, bribed the independant bloggers/youtubers, and bribed one of my classmates who was in the region with family over winter break?

The only part of my post that has anything to do with the media is that hamas/militants fired hundreds of rockets first.

Hamas runs on a mandate of getting rid of israel, and if I'm not mistaken the only two surrounding arab countries that recognize israels right to exist are egypt and jordan.  (who only recognized israels right to exist after israel beat them back with a big stick when attacked).  syria was working towards recognition with turkey as the mediator, but I haven't heard much about that.

 

I don't see that happening. Syria wants the Golan heights... and that's asking too much... at least in the eys of the Israeli population.

 

 

Israel certainly needs to hold onto the Golan, Syria has shown itself too many times to use it as a artillery & rocket staging point to attack Israel.

Indeed. I think it was Zhabotinskii who said "with the Golan heights you don't need to fire cannons at your enemy, lobbing rocks is enough". Giving them is plain dangerous. Besides, I don't trust Syria will keep the peace.