I cannot be the only one who noticed forevercloud saying that one character model in Killzone probably has more polygons than "an entire level" of Gears 2.

I mean, the worm alone.

Well actually, my point was more that from looks you CAN'T tell a whole bunch of things. And how a game controls can be very important.

THey make high end models with a lot of polys for gears, yes, but not as high end as the Killzone 2 ones, which is very much apparent for those trained to look at such things. Gears 2 may use a lot of polys, Killzone 2 simply uses a whole lot more and with comparable textures if not better ones. Hense, Killzone 2 looks better. Not just anybody can make a high poly model. That takes a very long time and is extremely taxing on the 360. Thats why Gears doesn't use them. It is much better suited for them to use low polys, high texture work to give off a great look.

And I wont even fret over your blatent disregard for ITT tech, becuase in actuallity, its true. ITT SUCKS ASS!!! At least as far as a gaming school is conscerned. The only reason I stick around here is because I gain access to all of their resources such as Max(Maya and XSI I had to get on my own, dont tell anyone), Photoshop, Flash, etc. I cant afford this kind of high end stuff on my own so I get them through school, as well as all the text books and learning aids. It really does feel like I am teaching myself all this stuff. THe teachers  here barely know what they are talking about, frequently not having a clue. That is why I take the time on my breaks(as of right this second) to study and practice of my own accord.

I will say one thing though. Most game designers don't care about the location of your education. Case in point...

THe head manager of the Gamestop I work at's cousin is the ex lead of Warhammer Online from EA Mythic. I actually hung out with him at a bar, pretty cool guy. He went to ITT as well....and dropped out. He never obtained a degree at all, yet he knew his stuff and was a people person. That got him the lead role. So me going to ITT  doesn't even matter.

Moving on UE3 is over used and begs for designers to take short cuts on models. That is the reason why it is popular after all. The engine allows for you to make the smallest model ever then texture over it for beautiful results. It is not necessarily a bad thing. But the UE3 is being played out. Killzone 2's engine is proving to work with higher polys and great textures as well. My insight from the gaming industry tells me that developers are moving away from the UE for just that purpose. Especially after seeing Killzone 2.

@Twesterm

Another thing!

Its funny that you would say you know some places that would not look at someone graduating from ITT and AI. Seeing as ITT and The Art Institute are in the top 3 of game design course schools. They are actually seen as the cream of the crop, regardless of their actual outcome. UAT is as well, the school I wanted to go too -_-.

It's not a negative that it's not BFBC that was simply that games style. I like other styles where not everything is desctructable since it limits what they can script in because players can take paths not expected.

Now i corrected this sentence a bit :)

@shadowblind

I commented on your first comment before I could see what you had re posted. It sounded like you were taking a stab at the graphics. Gameplay wise It might not be all that different because controls can be remapped these days. Yet its the visuals of which you manipulate there actions that make Killzone 2 the true winner here. Shooters to me all play the same. The only difference is that one may be more glitchy, animations could be off, etc.

Still, if the controls were completely like COD4's, would that really be a bad thing? And Gears2 reception on gameplay as a whole is mixed like most shooters. Some love it, some hate it, most tolerate it. But Gears is a TPS so it is different. COD4 has top honors of most loved FPS gameplay, at least until Killzone 2 releases. All those I know that played the beta says that it out shines COD 20 fold.

We all will be able to judge for ourselves come January 5th if you reserved the game at Gamestop. Demo will be available.

Thanx CGI ^^

Here is some more to quel your thirst for graphix, I know how much of a little graphix whore you are lol

Whomever thought that K2 only had scripted destructable envo, check these out. I dont think EVERYTHING is destructibe, yet quite alot is that really add to the overall feel of the game.

I think that some of you may not have the patience to handle the controls, from what I've played, the controls don't respond the same as other shooters, you feel a lot more heavy, it's hard to explain, Once you get the hang of it, it's brilliant, but it's not the same sort of twitch as, say, CoD.

If you ask me that's a good thing. Shooters should be slower on consoles because of the controller.