Anyways my last post in this thread, I guess some people can go back to their moral crusade. Good luck with that, you should be a politician.

If you weren't being such a troll, I would have a long response to that.

Don't mind him Final-Fan.  When people don't understand the discussion they often resort to attacking the poster (or other things not relating to the topic) rather than discussing the subject.  It's unfortunatey quite common on these forums.  There is nothing you can do about it but be as reasonable as possible and don't sink to their level.  

I did like the "making more excuses..." bit though.

The industry shouldn't have to police itself.  The Free market will do that.  If the Mature games that would of be AO start selling, then it shows the AO rating itself was a mistake.  If the occasional kid gets ahold of a hypothetical rape simulator.  That's not the makers fault.  It's the Kid's parents fault for being bad parents.

Also any company that made a hypothetical rape simulator would almost automatically be crushed and pretty much removed from the landscape.  It makes more sense to not have restrictions so people who would make games like that if they could would get what was coming to them.

When I was younger my parents had a remarkable tool for this kinda thing.  It was called talking to my friends parents.  My friends parents all did the same... so they all knew what was acceptable and what games and movies my friends and I had and that the appropriate games were taken away when said people came over to play if they wern't aloud to play them.

It's just basic good parenting that every parent should do.

@GotchayeX: The games that Germany has banned, have ESRB rating M (and AO), so the rating itself (in a way of have been accepted in somewhere else) is not the problem (for example, in Finland Manhunt 2 would get its release as is), meaning that there's not an automat, which would ban games anywhere. And the countries that have banned games, are just a few, not all of them. And basically any country can ban even 3+ game if they want to. But yes, banning games is a safety precaution, which IMO isn't any better or worse than for example console manufacturers banning certain games volunteerarly.

@Kasz: I was just answering to Hus:s trolling. But anyway, it doesn't work as easy as it's to say. First, parents aren't home all the time, they may have work etc. Secondly, it's not guaranteed that do your kids parents care of your opinion. Thirdly, do they even know what it's all about. You see, most parents even let their 12yo kids to browse the internet without any control or supervision. Anyway these buy the games for their kids, no matter what rating it has, so this problem doesn't solve by changing the rating.

Which is why you talk to the parents. When my parents found parents like those a lot of my friends parents wouldn't let them over that particular persons house. They definitly wouldn't of left me anywhere unsupervised unless they knew they protected everything.

The answer my parents had was to just have everyone over my house or my one friends house about 90% of the time and it worked out fine.

I really don't think people should have kids if they can't be home when their kid is home. The reasons don't matter even if it is work.

Though this is about one of my biggest pet peeves, as way too many parents are either to lazy or unwilling to parent their own children and instead keep wanting to rely more and more on the government and blame everybody else when their kids go wrong. If your kid watches a bad show, plays a bad game, listens to inappropriate music it's the parents fault. It's ALWAYS the parents fault, even if it's at another kids house, in a toystore anywhere, except basically school.

This would include if we had more strict rating systems or absoulutly no rating system at all. The ESRB could rate Manhunt 2 E for everyone and it would still be the parents fault for letting their kid play it in my opinion.